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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 1:36:04 GMT
 Services at one of London's busiest Tube stations were affected during the morning rush period after plaster fell from a ceiling. London Underground said westbound Central Line trains were not stopping at Oxford Circus after a "small amount" of plaster fell from above a platform. No passengers were hit by the plaster. Transport for London's Howard Collins said: "This was caused by water ingress and has now been repaired, and trains are stopping normally again." Services were disrupted between 09:05 GMT and 10:45 GMT. RMT union leader Bob Crow said: "RMT has warned repeatedly about the impact of maintenance cuts and specifically the widening of schedules from a 14-day to a 28-day cycle." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20935807 |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 8, 2013 4:02:15 GMT
I'm sick and tired of hearing Bob Crow 'crowing' on everytime something goes wrong on the tube. It cannot run perfect. Everytime there is an incident, he bangs on about health & safety - I wouldn't be suprised if next time there is an incident, he says something like, "the train could of drove onto the platform, up the escalators and out onto Oxford Street running over millions of people and it didn't even tap out on the Oyster reader" such is the sheer crap that comes out of his mouth.
Bob, you do not care about your employees, just your fat salary that you earn for fear mongering!!!
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Post by TA1 on Jan 8, 2013 9:04:59 GMT
Services at one of London's busiest Tube stations were affected during the morning rush period after plaster fell from a ceiling. London Underground said westbound Central Line trains were not stopping at Oxford Circus after a "small amount" of plaster fell from above a platform. No passengers were hit by the plaster. Transport for London's Howard Collins said: "This was caused by water ingress and has now been repaired, and trains are stopping normally again." Services were disrupted between 09:05 GMT and 10:45 GMT. RMT union leader Bob Crow said: "RMT has warned repeatedly about the impact of maintenance cuts and specifically the widening of schedules from a 14-day to a 28-day cycle." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20935807FreeBBC, the title you've provided does not make sense. 'Oxford circus disruption' would have sufficed. As for Oxford circus, metronet the failed train maintenance firm where awarded a 55 million pound contract to carry out the refurbishment which was part of 150 stations benefiting from redevelopment as a result of the 2012 Olympics, Metronet had a deadline of early 2008 to complete the refurbishment as a whole. I remember reading that the last few phases where carried out concurrently to avoid missing the deadline which was subsequently missed as metronet went into administration. The work was carried rather quickly once things where worked out but things like water ingress are not untoward in an underground environment |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 8, 2013 23:17:24 GMT
I think we need to get a sense of proportion. Water ingress is a very difficult issue to deal with in an Underground environment. Vast sums can be spent and still water can find its way past any diversionary channels and can loosen plaster.
Whether or not a revised inspection regime has meant this problem was not spotted in time is anyone's guess. I doubt we will ever know the facts. For those getting irate with Bob Crow I think we need to reflect that he is simply doing his job. The RMT or any union will always be opposed to any move that will reduce the number of staff employed or worsen their terms and conditions. Mr Crow may be handsomely rewarded but that salary is voted for by the union members (AIUI) so he must be doing something right. It is still a long way short of what bankers in the City get paid in bonuses or Chief Executives of company earn.
The RMT have very successfully played the safety card in strikes a few years ago and there was a broad level of support from the public who really were concerned about safety standards after several derailments. No one can know now whether the changes Bob Crow is criticising (for his union's own ends) will result in a general slackening of safety and a worse accident happening at some point in the future. It is entirely natural that the RMT / TSSA / ASLEF will want to make public announcements about incidents so that they can point to a history of comments and concern if that more serious incident does actually happen at some point in the future.
Plaster and enamel panels have fallen from ceilings over several years - I should know as I've argued about them with contractors! Sometimes it is down to mistakes or errors and sometimes everything was done properly and still it happened.
The Underground has generally had more money spent on modernising it over recent years than it has ever had. There is a lot more logic and analysis used and modern techniques are being adopted. Those new techniques can mean changes for employees and the unions may well be resistant to that. My own view is that where new technology gives better info or allows stuff to be done cheaper and faster then it should be adopted. This can be very important for things like track condition where computer technology has vastly improved the quality and usefulness of data compared to someone doing a visual inspection. LU would be remiss not to use the better way of doing things.
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Post by daveb0789 on Jan 10, 2013 9:14:55 GMT
As a railway worker - anything that compromises safety is very dangerous. The railway environment is completely different to the bus environment.
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Post by mre81 on Jan 10, 2013 22:00:33 GMT
Surely 'worn and torn'  You would too if it was your 150th birthday today  |
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Post by ajw on Jan 21, 2013 8:37:12 GMT
As a railway worker - anything that compromises safety is very dangerous. The railway environment is completely different to the bus environment. Actually no it isn't Anything that affects safety on both forms is serious. However the crap running from Crows mouth is the problem as an incident like this is minor and the constant carping surely distracts from real maintenance problems. Also in this case he mentions his current pet agenda which is the change to a 28 day inspection cycle. Now correct me if I am wrong, but the roof in the station is not part of what gets inspected anyway, so in this case is totally irrelevant. Besides even if it were part of the inspection it would be visual only so would not have raised any concerns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:01:44 GMT
As a railway worker - anything that compromises safety is very dangerous. The railway environment is completely different to the bus environment. Actually no it isn't Anything that affects safety on both forms is serious. However the crap running from Crows mouth is the problem as an incident like this is minor and the constant carping surely distracts from real maintenance problems. Also in this case he mentions his current pet agenda which is the change to a 28 day inspection cycle. Now correct me if I am wrong, but the roof in the station is not part of what gets inspected anyway, so in this case is totally irrelevant. Besides even if it were part of the inspection it would be visual only so would not have raised any concerns. Mr Crow has to change his record for the tube ... with the railways and buses ... what ever the issue is it is down to the greed of privatised companies and it should be nationailised again ... well he has his Utopia on the tube and it seems he is still not happy ... so he blames cost cutting by a public orgaination ... even if the railways were nationalised again this man would never be happy. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 21, 2013 13:24:05 GMT
Actually no it isn't Anything that affects safety on both forms is serious. However the crap running from Crows mouth is the problem as an incident like this is minor and the constant carping surely distracts from real maintenance problems. Also in this case he mentions his current pet agenda which is the change to a 28 day inspection cycle. Now correct me if I am wrong, but the roof in the station is not part of what gets inspected anyway, so in this case is totally irrelevant. Besides even if it were part of the inspection it would be visual only so would not have raised any concerns. Mr Crow has to change his record for the tube ... with the railways and buses ... what ever the issue is it is down to the greed of privatised companies and it should be nationailised again ... well he has his Utopia on the tube and it seems he is still not happy ... so he blames cost cutting by a public orgaination ... even if the railways were nationalised again this man would never be happy. He would be happy if he was in charge of all of it! ;D ;D It's a power battle with management regardless of who the management are. Always has been, always will be while the RMT maintains its public "militant" stance. The reality is that there is always a compromise in order to get people back to work because they don't want to lose too much of their money. |
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You would too if it was your 150th birthday today 