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Post by Hassaan on Jan 15, 2013 10:36:14 GMT
I'd rather the buses got suspended than them sliding all over the place like cars in this video: "How to drive in ice and snow" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20997094
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 15, 2013 19:26:57 GMT
This thread will be unstickied now seeing as the threat of a major snow event has passed. If the forecast changes it will be re-stickied.
Egg.
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Post by lc1 on Jan 15, 2013 19:38:53 GMT
This thread will be unstickied now seeing as the threat of a major snow event has passed. If the forecast changes it will be re-stickied. Egg. Weekend I think there's a threat
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 15, 2013 19:49:22 GMT
Will keep an eye on that, know theyve forecast light snow showers for sat!! Hope Sundays going to be ok as im doing one of them Croydon rail jobs! lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 21:10:22 GMT
Heavy snow in Norwich today, could head this way?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 8:23:58 GMT
Not snow but a helicopter has crashed in Nine Elm Lane in Vauxhall after hitting a crane in poor visibility. No word on casualties
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Post by snowman on Jan 17, 2013 5:57:26 GMT
This thread will come alive again tomorow, Friday when the forecast snow starts.
Remember TfL says it is ready, so they are going to look foolish if they pull buses because they have the wrong tyres. It has been below +7c for a few days now, so any company who puts safety ahead of profits will already have switched tyres to ones which are less slippery in the cold.
But maybe Elf and Saftey isn't a TfL thing, taking them off road is defeatist as the safe solution is so easy
You wouldn't expect a driver to wear same uniform in summer and winter, probably because like tyres they have ideal temperature ranges
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jan 17, 2013 7:26:07 GMT
This thread will come alive again tomorow, Friday when the forecast snow starts. Remember TfL says it is ready, so they are going to look foolish if they pull buses because they have the wrong tyres. It has been below +7c for a few days now, so any company who puts safety ahead of profits will already have switched tyres to ones which are less slippery in the cold. But maybe Elf and Saftey isn't a TfL thing, taking them off road is defeatist as the safe solution is so easy You wouldn't expect a driver to wear same uniform in summer and winter, probably because like tyres they have ideal temperature ranges Your username is very apt for this thread Do you have a tangerine nose too?
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Post by slr on Jan 17, 2013 10:09:52 GMT
This thread will come alive again tomorow, Friday when the forecast snow starts. Remember TfL says it is ready, so they are going to look foolish if they pull buses because they have the wrong tyres. It has been below +7c for a few days now, so any company who puts safety ahead of profits will already have switched tyres to ones which are less slippery in the cold. But maybe Elf and Saftey isn't a TfL thing, taking them off road is defeatist as the safe solution is so easy You wouldn't expect a driver to wear same uniform in summer and winter, probably because like tyres they have ideal temperature ranges You obviously don't quite understand the manpower or time/money this would require? Not looking to have a go - but please consider the following! ;D For example, even for a relativley small garage such as Bexleyheath, they would probably have to suspend their entire maintenance operation for a week to change all the tyres on their fleet. Never mind the fact that each garage only has one actual tyre fitter who takes them on and off rims, even then sometimes only on a part time attendance! Then you have all the follow up checks that have to be done after a wheel has been removed, such as checking nuts, replacing security devices - all that to then be done all over again when it gets a bit warmer! Also, being a non contractual cost the operators wouldn't bear the brunt of that for no return, leading to TfL paying out millions across London in Contract Maintenance fees etc for the extra manpower on the off-chance it might snow!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 10:37:21 GMT
Indeed, simply not practical to change tyres
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Post by snowman on Jan 17, 2013 12:35:07 GMT
Indeed, simply not practical to change tyres I don't expect them to be changed every week. We are talking about changing to winter tyres in the Autumn and summer tyres in the spring. Incidently do you know how often the wheels or tyres are changed in a 12month period, you can subtract that from extra changes for a start. Don't worry about the cost of a tyre either, if you only use it for half the year it will last twice as long. Unless of course you are aware of some magic indestructable tyres that last from when the bus is new to when it leaves London years later so buying a second tyre for each wheel would never happen.
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Post by Swadbus on Jan 17, 2013 13:09:41 GMT
Indeed, simply not practical to change tyres I don't expect them to be changed every week. We are talking about changing to winter tyres in the Autumn and summer tyres in the spring. Incidently do you know how often the wheels or tyres are changed in a 12month period, you can subtract that from extra changes for a start. Don't worry about the cost of a tyre either, if you only use it for half the year it will last twice as long. Unless of course you are aware of some magic indestructable tyres that last from when the bus is new to when it leaves London years later so buying a second tyre for each wheel would never happen. Tyres on buses and large vehicles are a totally different ball game. They need checking frequently, and wheels require retorquing frequently after a wheel has been changed or removed for maintenance. Large vehicles rarely have brand new tyres in the real world they are often recut and retreaded, a standard practice for buses and HGV's. People seem to get into mindset about things like this and think that maintenance regimes are comparable to a car... They simply aren't. Depending on the operator, a bus might go in for a full inspection up to every 4 weeks depending on the maintenance regime of the company.... Do you send your car in for a full inspection every 4 weeks? Also include the frequent walk round / nil defecting procedure too, do you do this every time you get in to drive your car? A large vehicle is different to a private car or van, as are the tyres which are often outsourced for other companies to deal with such as Michelin who have staff in the field to deal only with tyres. Arriva for example don't own any of their tyres, they pay Michelin to look after and check their entire fleets tyres and change them as required. I believe studded winter tyres are illegal on vehicles weighing more than 3.5 tonnes anyway. For the relatively small amount of snow it is simply pointless and a needless expense for the 2/3 days we might have snowy conditions each year.
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 17, 2013 15:54:26 GMT
I don't expect them to be changed every week. We are talking about changing to winter tyres in the Autumn and summer tyres in the spring. Incidently do you know how often the wheels or tyres are changed in a 12month period, you can subtract that from extra changes for a start. Don't worry about the cost of a tyre either, if you only use it for half the year it will last twice as long. Unless of course you are aware of some magic indestructable tyres that last from when the bus is new to when it leaves London years later so buying a second tyre for each wheel would never happen. Tyres on buses and large vehicles are a totally different ball game. They need checking frequently, and wheels require retorquing frequently after a wheel has been changed or removed for maintenance. Large vehicles rarely have brand new tyres in the real world they are often recut and retreaded, a standard practice for buses and HGV's. People seem to get into mindset about things like this and think that maintenance regimes are comparable to a car... They simply aren't. Depending on the operator, a bus might go in for a full inspection up to every 4 weeks depending on the maintenance regime of the company.... Do you send your car in for a full inspection every 4 weeks? Also include the frequent walk round / nil defecting procedure too, do you do this every time you get in to drive your car? A large vehicle is different to a private car or van, as are the tyres which are often outsourced for other companies to deal with such as Michelin who have staff in the field to deal only with tyres. Arriva for example don't own any of their tyres, they pay Michelin to look after and check their entire fleets tyres and change them as required. I believe studded winter tyres are illegal on vehicles weighing more than 3.5 tonnes anyway. For the relatively small amount of snow it is simply pointless and a needless expense for the 2/3 days we might have snowy conditions each year. That is exactly what I was going to write, but you beat me to it!!!!
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Post by jay38a on Jan 17, 2013 15:57:39 GMT
Its already snowing in Oxford and its settling, and it looks like its heading towards London as parts of Oxon/Bucks border are now also reporting it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 16:25:26 GMT
Indeed, simply not practical to change tyres I don't expect them to be changed every week. We are talking about changing to winter tyres in the Autumn and summer tyres in the spring. Incidently do you know how often the wheels or tyres are changed in a 12month period, you can subtract that from extra changes for a start. Don't worry about the cost of a tyre either, if you only use it for half the year it will last twice as long. Unless of course you are aware of some magic indestructable tyres that last from when the bus is new to when it leaves London years later so buying a second tyre for each wheel would never happen. That may well be viable in Russia or Canada but not here in the UK where we have very little extreme weather
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