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Post by Volvo on Jan 17, 2013 22:29:50 GMT
This sounds like snowmans favourite weather.
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Post by slr on Jan 17, 2013 22:34:44 GMT
I don't expect them to be changed every week. We are talking about changing to winter tyres in the Autumn and summer tyres in the spring. Incidently do you know how often the wheels or tyres are changed in a 12month period, you can subtract that from extra changes for a start. Don't worry about the cost of a tyre either, if you only use it for half the year it will last twice as long. Unless of course you are aware of some magic indestructable tyres that last from when the bus is new to when it leaves London years later so buying a second tyre for each wheel would never happen. Tyres on buses and large vehicles are a totally different ball game. They need checking frequently, and wheels require retorquing frequently after a wheel has been changed or removed for maintenance. Large vehicles rarely have brand new tyres in the real world they are often recut and retreaded, a standard practice for buses and HGV's. People seem to get into mindset about things like this and think that maintenance regimes are comparable to a car... They simply aren't. Depending on the operator, a bus might go in for a full inspection up to every 4 weeks depending on the maintenance regime of the company.... Do you send your car in for a full inspection every 4 weeks? Also include the frequent walk round / nil defecting procedure too, do you do this every time you get in to drive your car? A large vehicle is different to a private car or van, as are the tyres which are often outsourced for other companies to deal with such as Michelin who have staff in the field to deal only with tyres. Arriva for example don't own any of their tyres, they pay Michelin to look after and check their entire fleets tyres and change them as required. I believe studded winter tyres are illegal on vehicles weighing more than 3.5 tonnes anyway. For the relatively small amount of snow it is simply pointless and a needless expense for the 2/3 days we might have snowy conditions each year. To add to this, we use Michelins services too, as do Stagecoach I know. The tyres are rented per mm of rubber used, very complicated so it would also mean measuring each tyre before removal as there wouldn't be space to store them in the garages, and they would end up going back to Michelin.
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 17, 2013 23:48:52 GMT
This thread will come alive again tomorow, Friday when the forecast snow starts. Remember TfL says it is ready, so they are going to look foolish if they pull buses because they have the wrong tyres. It has been below +7c for a few days now, so any company who puts safety ahead of profits will already have switched tyres to ones which are less slippery in the cold. But maybe Elf and Saftey isn't a TfL thing, taking them off road is defeatist as the safe solution is so easy You wouldn't expect a driver to wear same uniform in summer and winter, probably because like tyres they have ideal temperature ranges Another thing to take note is whether drivers will be able to turn up for work and if they do will they be willing to drive in the snow?! Im on the 157 tomorrow and I do not like the thought of sliding down anerley hill. If theres any problems then I won't hesitate to stop that bus! And I spoke to one driver on the T33. He said he was driving down a hill in the forestdale area and he couldn't get the bus to stop. He managed to hit a kerb which stopped the bus. He then tried to go up the hill but got stuck and waited 4 hours for a gritter lorry to come ;D
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Post by IanF on Jan 17, 2013 23:58:26 GMT
This thread will come alive again tomorow, Friday when the forecast snow starts. Remember TfL says it is ready, so they are going to look foolish if they pull buses because they have the wrong tyres. It has been below +7c for a few days now, so any company who puts safety ahead of profits will already have switched tyres to ones which are less slippery in the cold. But maybe Elf and Saftey isn't a TfL thing, taking them off road is defeatist as the safe solution is so easy You wouldn't expect a driver to wear same uniform in summer and winter, probably because like tyres they have ideal temperature ranges Another thing to take note is whether drivers will be able to turn up for work and if they do will they be willing to drive in the snow?! Im on the 157 tomorrow and I do not like the thought of sliding down anerley hill. If theres any problems then I won't hesitate to stop that bus! And I spoke to one driver on the T33. He said he was driving down a hill in the forestdale area and he couldn't get the bus to stop. He managed to hit a kerb which stopped the bus. He then tried to go up the hill but got stuck and waited 4 hours for a gritter lorry to come ;D At the end of the day people can have a go and say bus drivers are lazy a little bit of snow and they stop but if drivers run the service and crashed and caused injury the same people who would complain theres no service would say they shouldn't be on the roads and have a go that way. Personally if a bus driver pulled over and said I'm not willing to continue I think its unsafe I respect there decision as its there licence and job at risk if something really bad happens.
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Post by slr on Jan 18, 2013 0:04:51 GMT
Another thing to take note is whether drivers will be able to turn up for work and if they do will they be willing to drive in the snow?! Im on the 157 tomorrow and I do not like the thought of sliding down anerley hill. If theres any problems then I won't hesitate to stop that bus! And I spoke to one driver on the T33. He said he was driving down a hill in the forestdale area and he couldn't get the bus to stop. He managed to hit a kerb which stopped the bus. He then tried to go up the hill but got stuck and waited 4 hours for a gritter lorry to come ;D At the end of the day people can have a go and say bus drivers are lazy a little bit of snow and they stop but if drivers run the service and crashed and caused injury the same people who would complain theres no service would say they shouldn't be on the roads and have a go that way. Personally if a bus driver pulled over and said I'm not willing to continue I think its unsafe I respect there decision as its there licence and job at risk if something really bad happens. Exactly. Safety must come first. In last years snow, a controller from another company was I believe killed by one of our PVLs that slid on a rail replacement job in Kent, squashing him between two buses.. It wasn't the drivers fault, but as you may expect they were very upset, let alone the family of the man killed. Not worth the risk.
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 18, 2013 0:54:30 GMT
Can see the 175 being suspended up here at Hillrise Estate if we do get the snow, Havering Council haven't bothered gritting the road So why did I see a gritting truck flying round Harold Hill around 9PM tonight then ;D ;D ;D
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Post by romfordbuses on Jan 18, 2013 1:03:28 GMT
The roads up here if you read it properly ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 2:16:42 GMT
When is it going to snow?
are there any preparations for the snow?
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 18, 2013 3:08:13 GMT
When is it going to snow? are there any preparations for the snow? please see quotes above, National news headlines and weather reports, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 4:36:23 GMT
This thread will come alive again tomorow, Friday when the forecast snow starts. Remember TfL says it is ready, so they are going to look foolish if they pull buses because they have the wrong tyres. It has been below +7c for a few days now, so any company who puts safety ahead of profits will already have switched tyres to ones which are less slippery in the cold. But maybe Elf and Saftey isn't a TfL thing, taking them off road is defeatist as the safe solution is so easy You wouldn't expect a driver to wear same uniform in summer and winter, probably because like tyres they have ideal temperature ranges Another thing to take note is whether drivers will be able to turn up for work and if they do will they be willing to drive in the snow?! Im on the 157 tomorrow and I do not like the thought of sliding down anerley hill. If theres any problems then I won't hesitate to stop that bus! And I spoke to one driver on the T33. He said he was driving down a hill in the forestdale area and he couldn't get the bus to stop. He managed to hit a kerb which stopped the bus. He then tried to go up the hill but got stuck and waited 4 hours for a gritter lorry to come ;D As a kid I remember buses doing a 3 point turn at the foot of Anerley Hill. Still no snow in Bromley at the mo
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 18, 2013 10:44:58 GMT
Snowing heavily here in Tottenham, but well gritted, so no disruption to buses at the moment
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 18, 2013 11:30:37 GMT
Roads not gritted along part of the 111/120. Specifically Norwood Road (Ealing council) and Heston Road (Hounslow council). No disruption to services as far as I'm aware.
Norwood Road shown here:
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Post by snowman on Jan 18, 2013 12:19:53 GMT
After 4 hours of snow grains, bigger flakes now in Kingston, starting to settle on the salted roads, where tyres are not touching it. Rain radar suggests this is just beginning of a heavier snowfall period www.raintoday.co.uk/
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Post by romfordbuses on Jan 18, 2013 12:57:25 GMT
Well, Quite surprised the 175 is still running up to here. Usually the slightest bit of snow means the buses can't get up here because the roads don't get gritted properly, However the road's all clear so well done Havering Council! (for once.)
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Post by M1199 on Jan 18, 2013 13:10:14 GMT
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