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Post by lc1 on Feb 17, 2013 12:49:13 GMT
I'm surprised that white on black is DDA compliant given that for those with disabilities, impairments and barriers to understanding the contrast between white and black is fundamentally the most difficult to read. Exactly and I was of the understanding that the reason they are yellow on Black is because there the last few colours colour blind people can see or something along those lines.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 17, 2013 15:44:28 GMT
I'm surprised that white on black is DDA compliant given that for those with disabilities, impairments and barriers to understanding the contrast between white and black is fundamentally the most difficult to read. I can't suppose for a minute that TfL would have gone through with it without consulting disability groups on the issue Lothian in Scotland have been using white on black blinds for years so I can't see it being an issue - besides hardly anyone actually looks at blinds nowadays anyway. Am I the only one who miss day glow blinds even though I may grow to like white on black blinds.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 16:06:29 GMT
I can't suppose for a minute that TfL would have gone through with it without consulting disability groups on the issue Lothian in Scotland have been using white on black blinds for years so I can't see it being an issue - besides hardly anyone actually looks at blinds nowadays anyway. Am I the only one who miss day glow blinds even though I may grow to like white on black blinds. I'll miss them, but it's not the end of the world. Dayglow only looks really nice when it's very new, after that I can take it or leave it.
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Post by IanF on Feb 17, 2013 16:51:10 GMT
I don't like white on black blinds they just look boring and don't really stand out during the day where as the current set up looks good. To me if something isn't broke don't fix it.
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Post by marlon101 on Feb 17, 2013 17:42:15 GMT
I can't suppose for a minute that TfL would have gone through with it without consulting disability groups on the issue besides hardly anyone actually looks at blinds nowadays anyway. . I can't be alone in my habit of consulting the bus number and destination before boarding...? On the Lothian issue, to be fair, most buses weren't particularly accessible in the past and it wasn't seen as much of an issue. I can't suppose for a minute that TfL would have gone through with it without consulting disability groups on the issue I can't suppose for a minute that TfL would have gone through with it without consulting disability groups on the issue I would doubt this given that its a fact of life that white on black writing or vice versa is the most difficult contrast for many people to read hence my surpise
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Post by vjaska on Feb 17, 2013 18:22:35 GMT
besides hardly anyone actually looks at blinds nowadays anyway. . I can't be alone in my habit of consulting the bus number and destination before boarding...? On the Lothian issue, to be fair, most buses weren't particularly accessible in the past and it wasn't seen as much of an issue. I can't suppose for a minute that TfL would have gone through with it without consulting disability groups on the issue I would doubt this given that its a fact of life that white on black writing or vice versa is the most difficult contrast for many people to read hence my surpise All their low floor buses have white on black blinds, even their 62 reg deliveries still use white on black blinds for the front & rear with the side blind using LED's - a change which happened about 2 years ago.
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 17, 2013 18:30:55 GMT
I'm not really bothered about the colour either way. The actual issues on blinds are keeping the blind glass clean both sides, making sure the lights behind blinds actually work and switch on when passengers need the extra illumination to read the blind details. The other issue is that regardless of the colour of the lettering blinds get dirty and fade. Different bus designs cause some of the problems in the first place. I'd much prefer that TfL allowed operators a small bit of money in the bids, where buses are going to be route bound for the contract term, to allow a blind refresh or replacement. This all really just basic maintenance which all garages and operators should be doing but there is clearly some divergence in practice. When I worked out of Camberwell garage on the 12's and also when I transferred onto the 36's out of New Cross London Centrals RM fleet at Q had the blinds made up with 3 sets of 12 blinds along with 3 and 12X whilst NX had 3 sets of 36 along with 36X. The destination blinds were the biggest culprit for fading.
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Post by VPL630 on Feb 18, 2013 12:29:16 GMT
If the TN/TNL/VNW/TNA's for some reason all got new blinds...
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Post by john on Feb 19, 2013 12:40:28 GMT
What's wrong with the Versa's blinds? I understand about the Streetlites front blind but I don't understand about the Versa's blinds. I saw a pic of one of Quality Line's new Versas and it was a little hard to read the blind, but that could have been sunlight or how the pic was taken... but with proper illumination it should be fine. I still think we're wasting time with vinyls and should move on... I had no problem reading Spirit of London's LED blind when it was first on the road... I wonder when that bus will be fixed? Well as I've now moved to Ockendon, I've noticed alot of issues with LED displays with Ensign. The main one being on a bright, sunny day, the LED's are virtually un-readable. The only thing that helps for me in Ockendon is that we only have the 22 and virtually all the time they have the B5LH's running on it. Blinds obviously have their downfall to so for me, I think it's a simple 50/50 between them, hence why TfL are not using them as a choice for bus services.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2013 13:09:53 GMT
I saw a pic of one of Quality Line's new Versas and it was a little hard to read the blind, but that could have been sunlight or how the pic was taken... but with proper illumination it should be fine. I still think we're wasting time with vinyls and should move on... I had no problem reading Spirit of London's LED blind when it was first on the road... I wonder when that bus will be fixed? Well as I've now moved to Ockendon, I've noticed alot of issues with LED displays with Ensign. The main one being on a bright, sunny day, the LED's are virtually un-readable. The only thing that helps for me in Ockendon is that we only have the 22 and virtually all the time they have the B5LH's running on it. Blinds obviously have their downfall to so for me, I think it's a simple 50/50 between them, hence why TfL are not using them as a choice for bus services. John, your alive
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Post by cc2005 on Feb 22, 2013 9:00:56 GMT
I can always tell when a bus is on a route that it doesn't work often when the blind set/number is bright yellow lol. Like when a VNW/VNZ is on the 23, the blinds are bright yellow, but when the same bus is on the 28/31/328, its faded yellow/almost white!
I remember when the blinds on the RMLs were changed from white to yellow almost overnight. I first noticed it on the 11/14/22's...it was a bit of a shock, like the classic look of the Routemaster had been changed.
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Post by john on Feb 25, 2013 16:24:38 GMT
Well as I've now moved to Ockendon, I've noticed alot of issues with LED displays with Ensign. The main one being on a bright, sunny day, the LED's are virtually un-readable. The only thing that helps for me in Ockendon is that we only have the 22 and virtually all the time they have the B5LH's running on it. Blinds obviously have their downfall to so for me, I think it's a simple 50/50 between them, hence why TfL are not using them as a choice for bus services. John, your alive I'm still alive Slightly off topic but work has moved me to Hemel Hempstead, so have some very long days atm. Bit of a trek from Ockendon to there ;D
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Post by M1104 on Feb 25, 2013 21:08:41 GMT
Does this mean that future refurbs will involve changing to white on black blinds...even if the blinds don't really need updating?
What about when buses are out of service, would they also be white on black or black on white?
I'm guessing N prefix routes will not be blue on black like it was up until the mid 90s.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 21:20:39 GMT
Does this mean that future refurbs will involve changing to white on black blinds...even if the blinds don't really need updating? What about when buses are out of service, would they also be white on black or black on white? I'm guessing N prefix routes will not be blue on black like it was up until the mid 90s. Blinds were only said to be being replaced when it was needed and all the buses were being done in one go - I suppose it will be a slow phasing in batch-by-batch. In the case of refurbs like the Es on the 196, the blinds would probably just stay as they were until the whole batch needs its blinds replaced.
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Post by eggmiester on Feb 26, 2013 12:42:10 GMT
Does this mean that future refurbs will involve changing to white on black blinds...even if the blinds don't really need updating? What about when buses are out of service, would they also be white on black or black on white? I'm guessing N prefix routes will not be blue on black like it was up until the mid 90s. Same rules still apply in terms of letter font, height and size etc. All displays will be white on blck, with the only givne exception being the 607's which still use white on blue displays.
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