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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 17, 2013 14:45:37 GMT
Bojo has to find cash for these 600 NB4Ls, and those fancy new black n white Tyvek blinds Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards I suspect the blinds will only be replaced when they need to be changed to add new routes/destinations etc. But back on topic...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 15:13:18 GMT
Bojo has to find cash for these 600 NB4Ls, and those fancy new black n white Tyvek blinds Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards I suspect the blinds will only be replaced when they need to be changed to add new routes/destinations etc. But back on topic... Getting very tempted now to calculate how many hybrids would be needed to convert all Central London routes - on the basis of PVR + 12%
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Post by romfordbuses on Feb 17, 2013 17:48:37 GMT
Getting very tempted now to calculate how many hybrids would be needed to convert all Central London routes - on the basis of PVR + 12% Might have to counter in full Electric buses in that as well if the 507/521 trials go well in the summer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 21:58:52 GMT
Urgh Hybrids on all London Bus Routes? Please no. I get kinda queasy when I'm on a hybrid for a long period of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 23:06:22 GMT
Urgh Hybrids on all London Bus Routes? Please no. I get kinda queasy when I'm on a hybrid for a long period of time. All Central London routes is the plan for the moment, which was to be expected anyway. Besides, hybrids are an advantage over conventional diesel buses (from an operational point of view) in nearly every way - except the heavy initial cost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 23:22:24 GMT
Urgh Hybrids on all London Bus Routes? Please no. I get kinda queasy when I'm on a hybrid for a long period of time. All Central London routes is the plan for the moment, which was to be expected anyway. Besides, hybrids are an advantage over conventional diesel buses (from an operational point of view) in nearly every way - except the heavy initial cost. Are the Heritage RM's affected?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 23:32:23 GMT
All Central London routes is the plan for the moment, which was to be expected anyway. Besides, hybrids are an advantage over conventional diesel buses (from an operational point of view) in nearly every way - except the heavy initial cost. Are the Heritage RM's affected? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a heritage vehicle exception like there is for the wider LEZ, as the use of heritage vehicles is sporadic anyway and shouldn't be too much of a problem for air quality.
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Post by joefrombow on Feb 18, 2013 5:27:38 GMT
Urgh Hybrids on all London Bus Routes? Please no. I get kinda queasy when I'm on a hybrid for a long period of time. All Central London routes is the plan for the moment, which was to be expected anyway. Besides, hybrids are an advantage over conventional diesel buses (from an operational point of view) in nearly every way - except the heavy initial cost. I find the Hybrids a bit dull in the sense of no proper gear changing sound and no feeling of hearing the power saying that though i've only ever been on an E400H and i do love them think there great and rapid ! but times change though and we have got to move with the future so by 2020 hopefully we do have a full central London hybrid fleet , and Electric buses on the Red Arrow routes are there full 12m electric buses in use in England ??
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2013 5:39:59 GMT
All Central London routes is the plan for the moment, which was to be expected anyway. Besides, hybrids are an advantage over conventional diesel buses (from an operational point of view) in nearly every way - except the heavy initial cost. I find the Hybrids a bit dull in the sense of no proper gear changing sound and no feeling of hearing the power saying that though i've only ever been on an E400H and i do love them think there great and rapid ! but times change though and we have got to move with the future so by 2020 hopefully we do have a full central London hybrid fleet , and Electric buses on the Red Arrow routes are there full 12m electric buses in use in England ?? That will be the death of London buses if it goes ahead.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 18, 2013 7:53:05 GMT
Are the Heritage RM's affected? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a heritage vehicle exception like there is for the wider LEZ, as the use of heritage vehicles is sporadic anyway and shouldn't be too much of a problem for air quality. I should think there'll be an exception made for RMs and other pre-1973 buses, yes.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 18, 2013 7:53:49 GMT
I find the Hybrids a bit dull in the sense of no proper gear changing sound and no feeling of hearing the power saying that though i've only ever been on an E400H and i do love them think there great and rapid ! but times change though and we have got to move with the future so by 2020 hopefully we do have a full central London hybrid fleet , and Electric buses on the Red Arrow routes are there full 12m electric buses in use in England ?? That will be the death of London buses if it goes ahead. No it won't They'll just be different (and cleaner)...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 9:31:28 GMT
I find the Hybrids a bit dull in the sense of no proper gear changing sound and no feeling of hearing the power saying that though i've only ever been on an E400H and i do love them think there great and rapid ! but times change though and we have got to move with the future so by 2020 hopefully we do have a full central London hybrid fleet , and Electric buses on the Red Arrow routes are there full 12m electric buses in use in England ?? That will be the death of London buses if it goes ahead. Why exactly? It's only Central London routes we're discussing here. You rarely get any sort of speed in Central London anyway - a multitude of diesel buses still exist - I was calculating this last night. Out of the 8000 buses in London, after the proposed changes a maximum of 2400 would be hybrids. There'd still be thousands of diesels left if that's what the particular problem is. Operationally, they're better in just about every way.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 18, 2013 10:12:36 GMT
I actually welcome the hybrid proposal if it means better air quality in central London. In any case by 2020 bus favourites like the euro3 DWs, refurbished B7TLs and ALX400 Tridents would have moved on by then....sad to say but inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 10:25:29 GMT
I actually welcome the hybrid proposal if it means better air quality in central London. In any case by 2020 bus favourites like the euro3 DWs, refurbished B7TLs and ALX400 Tridents would have moved on by then....sad to say but inevitable. Indeed, unfortunately whatever is replacing them, be it diesel or hybrid, they will be moved on eventually.
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Post by RM5chris on Feb 19, 2013 18:27:42 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a heritage vehicle exception like there is for the wider LEZ, as the use of heritage vehicles is sporadic anyway and shouldn't be too much of a problem for air quality. I should think there'll be an exception made for RMs and other pre-1973 buses, yes. I wouldnt be surprised if that is the end of the heritage service. Of course the option could be available to re-engine (one assumes that the Dart/E200 engine will be available in some cleaner form into the future so could be installed into an RM?). However the cost would be.....probably too much for a limited 'novelty' service. John Deere CNG engines as fitted to the RTs at Unitrans, Davis, Calif.?
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