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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:40:44 GMT
No, It's a discussion Forum. Not just pure opinions. Surely its one and the same thing isn't it? Anyway I suggest we leave the floor to others who might want to post something topical, endless comments between individuals are unlikely to be of interest to the majority of members. You obviously don't approve of this thread so wouldn't it be best to say no more? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:42:44 GMT
And also routes 255 and 315 (which is far to infrequent and badly routed IMO) The 315 is about the least useless route in London, with practically no overlap with any any other. Just the three adjacent stops in West Norwood, and two in Streatham, both for St Leonard's and only when going towards Balham. Apparently according to Lambeth Council the Valley Road area is one of the worst for public transport in the borough, which from the middle is quite a walk to the High Road, or to Leigham Court Road or Streatham Common North which both only have one bus route. The Bedford Hill area is surely worse, the 315 is the only route that runs inside a pretty large area enclosed by the Streatham high Road, Tooting Bec Road, Balham High Road, Thornton Avenue, and the south circular. And apart from the 417 there is no other route inside the Streatham High Road, Streatham Common North, Knights Hill/Norwood Road, and south circular either. The route is also well used. When I use it is is not uncommon for people to be standing after it leaves Balham High Road. I even gave up alighting at the hail and ride stop at the top of Gleneldon Road because it was too much hassle fighting the number of people trying to get on there. They never seemed to appreciate that with only one set of doors they need to let me off before they can get on. It is easier just to use St Leonard's and cut through the church to cross the road for that side of the High Road. I certainly agree that is has a lot more potential that is being wasted, but a route which is used, provides the only service in areas which otherwise face a long walk to another route, which provides unique links, and effectively has no overlap, is about as far from useless as any route can be. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:44:23 GMT
But that will reduce the capacity of service between Tulse Hill and Brixton which was the driver for introducing the 415 in the 1st place, unless you are proposing to have the combined frequency over the whole route Do you use that section of route? The extra capacity of the 415 was never needed, the 2 and 432 are more than adequate. The 415 was introduced as a result of a public consultation that deemed there was a requirement for extra capacity on this section ... now how TfL decission making deems these things ... seems to be random based on clicks on ticket machines where they have no idea where you get off. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:47:20 GMT
No, It's a discussion Forum. Not just pure opinions. Surely its one and the same thing isn't it? Anyway I suggest we leave the floor to others who might want to post something topical, endless comments between individuals are unlikely to be of interest to the majority of members. You obviously don't approve of this thread so wouldn't it be best to say no more? I don't mind this thread at all, but when someone actually comes up with a route that is useless then it will make sense. There's really no routes which are actually useless so this thread is pointless. The routes mentioned before are actually used. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 13, 2013 14:08:06 GMT
OK folks. I take responsibility for starting this thread and I see it has now degenerated into an argument about the definition of "useless" plus arguing about "argument / discussion / facts / opinions". That wasn't my intent - it was to identify the less useful / marginal routes that would most likely disappear if funding was squeezed. In the light of us going off course perhaps the mods need to consider closing down the thread? I'm sorry for triggering more arguments.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 14:13:19 GMT
I don't think you have anything to apologise for.
The dust seems to have settled now so perhaps we can let it continue?
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 13, 2013 15:39:21 GMT
Maybe the thread should have been called 'Buses that SEEM useless'!
The arguement of carrying 1 passenger on a bus makes that bus not useless by definition is TRUE but in reality is nonsense and does not happen anyway.
Buses that SEEM useless would be ones that if taken out of service that '1 passenger' would go and use another route instead without much fuss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 16:04:40 GMT
Maybe the thread should have been called 'Buses that SEEM useless'! The arguement of carrying 1 passenger on a bus makes that bus not useless by definition is TRUE but in reality is nonsense and does not happen anyway. Buses that SEEM useless would be ones that if taken out of service that '1 passenger' would go and use another route instead without much fuss. If we go down that road I dread to think where it will end  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 16:24:34 GMT
I think a more worthwhile debate would be routes that are not capturing their full potential.
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Post by IanF on Mar 13, 2013 16:27:51 GMT
I think a more worthwhile debate would be routes that are not capturing their full potential. After this thread can we wait a while first ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 16:30:18 GMT
It's a rather silly response that I confirm how many people use the bus. I can't answer that because I don't stand at a bus stop for 24hrs and count. I based my answer on being a rota driver on the el1 and el2 basing it on facts and not random observations.
I can confirm this though.
All meal breaks before 1930 are at dagenham dock.
First schedule any driver that is not taking a bus to or from their garage to travel on service buses to and from 368 handover.
The el1 stand is basically a 1 bus stand roughly.
If you would like to see a full el2 then take yourself down to the 2nd bus stop out of their on Good Friday.
And you want to scrap a route because you've rarely seen it used. There's what comes into play. Nothing is black and white
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 13, 2013 17:36:31 GMT
I had pledged not to post on here again because of all the vitriol and bile on here but anyway if I can put an idea for the 130 197 and 312 forward without being shot down in flames? Simply curtail the 130 and 312 at Ashburton Park, there is a stand in Stroud Green Way, and return them to Norwood Junction via Spring Lane when the weight limit is removed. This would bring the 312 back to its correct route along Lower Addiscombe Road. Leave the 197 as it is although a frequency increase can probably be justified anyway regardless of the 130 and 312 change. In an ideal world a free to use shuttle service would be provided between Ashburton Park and Norwood Junction using Solo's or something similar that comply with the weight restriction. Im not a fan of that idea. I see some passengers on board the 130 in lower addiscombe road heading to and from norwood junction. On a few occasions I seen a decent amount too. What I would like to know is why is there a stand in stroud green way  Im sure there was a bus stand in lower addiscombe black horse lane but thats gone now |
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 13, 2013 17:44:49 GMT
The route is also well used. When I use it is is not uncommon for people to be standing after it leaves Balham High Road. I even gave up alighting at the hail and ride stop at the top of Gleneldon Road because it was too much hassle fighting the number of people trying to get on there. They never seemed to appreciate that with only one set of doors they need to let me off before they can get on. It is easier just to use St Leonard's and cut through the church to cross the road for that side of the High Road. I certainly agree that is has a lot more potential that is being wasted, but a route which is used, provides the only service in areas which otherwise face a long walk to another route, which provides unique links, and effectively has no overlap, is about as far from useless as any route can be. I get that alot on the 322/P13 routes (more common on the P13) in that people would board the bus without letting others off first. Fair enough if people are taking long to get off the bus but when passengers with buggies are struggling to get off or even a wheelchair is coming it annoys me when passengers board and still try to make their way onto the seat. What I do normally is to delay opening the doors until the passengers wanting to get off is right at the doors. Hopefully, the passengers outside would look to see why and it usually works as they look before boarding and in some cases they even ask if its ok to board |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 17:45:11 GMT
I don't really understand your point about Good Friday? If I had nothing better to do I could stand and film all the empty buses going back and forwards along Choats Road
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 17:50:14 GMT
I had pledged not to post on here again because of all the vitriol and bile on here but anyway if I can put an idea for the 130 197 and 312 forward without being shot down in flames? Simply curtail the 130 and 312 at Ashburton Park, there is a stand in Stroud Green Way, and return them to Norwood Junction via Spring Lane when the weight limit is removed. This would bring the 312 back to its correct route along Lower Addiscombe Road. Leave the 197 as it is although a frequency increase can probably be justified anyway regardless of the 130 and 312 change. In an ideal world a free to use shuttle service would be provided between Ashburton Park and Norwood Junction using Solo's or something similar that comply with the weight restriction. Im not a fan of that idea. I see some passengers on board the 130 in lower addiscombe road heading to and from norwood junction. On a few occasions I seen a decent amount too. What I would like to know is why is there a stand in stroud green way Im sure there was a bus stand in lower addiscombe black horse lane but thats gone now The Stroud Green Way stand is occasionally used by a curtailed 289. The Black Horse pub is now gone, block of flats there now. |
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Im sure there was a bus stand in lower addiscombe black horse lane but thats gone now