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Post by IanF on Mar 13, 2013 17:52:26 GMT
I don't really understand your point about Good Friday? If I had nothing better to do I could stand and film all the empty buses going back and forwards along Choats Road Isaac no offence but if I was told by a driver of the route that people use it I'd just agree with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 17:59:47 GMT
There's a church over the back of the industrial area. The el2 is the only bus that goes there and trust me there will be a few hundred people there. I only work Lates and I'm telling you the bus is used. I can't account for daytime but ill make my own mind up on that rather than your observations. I don't really understand your point about Good Friday? If I had nothing better to do I could stand and film all the empty buses going back and forwards along Choats Road |
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Post by Trident on Mar 13, 2013 18:00:02 GMT
I don't really understand your point about Good Friday? If I had nothing better to do I could stand and film all the empty buses going back and forwards along Choats Road Isaac no offence but if I was told by a driver of the route that people use it I'd just agree with them. Issac, the purpose for the EL2 is to serve Dagenham Dock as there are future developments in the area which are due. Just because it's barely used it doesn't mean they should scrap the section. Besides, the EL1 and EL2 are a busy corridor through Ilford and Barking and up to Thames View Estate. You are making Dagenham Dock unsustainable by taking away the EL2 just because of 'the empty buses going back and forwards along Choats Road' |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 18:05:21 GMT
Yes I see what you mean about the church however there are empty buses throughout the day and a 12min frequency is a bit excessive. I know about future development in the area but thats some way off yet.
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Post by Trident on Mar 13, 2013 18:11:24 GMT
Yes I see what you mean about the church however there are empty buses throughout the day and a 12min frequency is a bit excessive. I know about future development in the area but thats some way off yet. I wouldn't say thats excessive. I believe buses on the EL1/EL2 are meant to run every 6 minutes to maintain loadings between Ilford and Thames View Estate (Although in some cases it may not be like that). Ilford to Barking in particular is a busy corridor for both routes so when you balance it out with the loadings towards the Dagenham end of the EL2 it does really make sense. I'm sure there is other routes in London that may not seem busy in some parts but actually they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 18:15:46 GMT
I don't doubt that a 6min headway is justified between Thames View and Ilford
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 18:37:57 GMT
On the left is a printout of the 1714 from dagenham dock to Thames view and the right is the remainder of the journey. There may well be empty buses but it does not give an overall view. Yes I see what you mean about the church however there are empty buses throughout the day and a 12min frequency is a bit excessive. I know about future development in the area but thats some way off yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 18:47:28 GMT
That opinion is complete tosh. If a single person used a bus then its purpose is pointless. They would be better off in a car. Less pollution, less delays, and no unnecessary financial burden to TfL So how about 3 people, that's how much my mate on the 76's picked up in one trip, it's still providing a service for those 3 people so it is worth while still running the route 1 bus will still probably create more pollution than 3 cars ... so it depends on how you measure worthwhile |
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Post by VPL630 on Mar 13, 2013 20:00:55 GMT
I don't doubt that a 6min headway is justified between Thames View and Ilford Please can we just drop this, As chazaroo has clearly shown and stressed in his post's people use this service, it may not be as many people as you have seen on the route or want to see on the route but the route is run for a reason, anyway if they were to get rid of such a route anyway think about what it would be like for the drivers which may have to transfer to another garage ect ect. #justsaying |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 20:06:29 GMT
I don't doubt that a 6min headway is justified between Thames View and Ilford Please can we just drop this, As chazaroo has clearly shown and stressed in his post's people use this service, it may not be as many people as you have seen on the route or want to see on the route but the route is run for a reason, anyway if they were to get rid of such a route anyway think about what it would be like for the drivers which may have to transfer to another garage ect ect. #justsaying It was finished until you bought it up again  |
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Post by TA1 on Mar 13, 2013 20:16:56 GMT
In my opinion I don't think any route is deemed useless, budget constraints have seen routes like the 953 & 958 for example scrapped due to low patronage amongst other reasons. They served a purpose of linking elderly people to the outside world not stating that dial a ride doesn't, but travelling on the 958 once upon a time. Saw the same driver same passengers weekly.
I saw a Double decker on the 129 last night completely empty heading towards North Greenwich after it left The bus station heading back to the cutty sark, it had a substantial load of passengers. Yes, the point about having one passenger on a bus throughout the whole journey and pollution is a good but fair point. But the bus is cheaper than a minicab especially the black and private hire cabs, to bring into the argument.
If the funds where there, I'd personally say bring back a few of the trunk routes that have been truncated in the past, but again to oppose that argument traffic levels have risen since most of those routes where truncated, thus resulting reliability decreasing.
Touching on the 13 - 139 argument although they serve the same southern destination and mirror each other for a while, they both serve a purpose of getting people to their destinations; routes like the 300 which runs between canning town and East ham the route takes the long way home and both destinations can be reached quicker by other routes but it serves a purpose of linking tollgate road and the beckton area to each destination even though the DLR can reach canning town quicker ( I think) from Beckton.
I think all in all, All bus routes serve a purpose even if their patronage is low/high, surely TFL record how many passengers use a route and can implement changes during the tender process.
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Post by VPL630 on Mar 13, 2013 20:18:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 22:43:34 GMT
I would also nominate the 430 between Putney and South Ken, hardly anyone uses it even at peak times
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 13, 2013 22:46:00 GMT
Top of my list would be the T32.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 13, 2013 23:06:33 GMT
Top of my list would be the T32. This is one of the few routes probably truly worthy of being called "useless", though it's being withdrawn at the end of contract and merged into the 314 anyway. That's two I'd call pointless, the 415 & T32 - other than that, I think just about every other route in my opinion has a point and/or isn't useless. |
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