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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 23:37:09 GMT
I get that alot on the 322/P13 routes (more common on the P13) in that people would board the bus without letting others off first. Fair enough if people are taking long to get off the bus but when passengers with buggies are struggling to get off or even a wheelchair is coming it annoys me when passengers board and still try to make their way onto the seat. What I do normally is to delay opening the doors until the passengers wanting to get off is right at the doors. Hopefully, the passengers outside would look to see why and it usually works as they look before boarding and in some cases they even ask if its ok to board Even then it is still a problem on the 315. I would normally walk to the front of the bus after it makes the right turn across the High Road so I am normally there as the doors open unless there are other standing. But as I stand in the doorway everyone still rushes forward and no one gives any room to let me off. You would think they would realise making me just stand there and wait they are only holding themselves up, in the end I just have no choice but to push past people. The irony is that getting off at St Leonard's and walking is quicker anyway because of the traffic. It was only when I was carrying bags having stopped in Balham for shopping I wanted to save myself the extra walk. Which is also presumably why more people use Gleneldon Road rather than that stop. The route can take a two-door bus as I have been on one occasionally, it is just a shame they are not normally used. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 13, 2013 23:45:44 GMT
I would normally walk to the front of the bus after it makes the right turn across the High Road so I am normally there as the doors open unless there are other standing. But as I stand in the doorway everyone still rushes forward and no one gives any room to let me off. You would think they would realise making me just stand there and wait they are only holding themselves up, in the end I just have no choice but to push past people. Well you get that lunacy on the tube too despite there being loads of doors. I've lost count of the times when I've wanted to get off a train and there is just a wall of people who won't move an inch to let me off. There are three options a) politely ask people to move. More often than not it doesn't work.  b) stand still and say loudly "you aren't getting on until I can get off". People look at you as if you're mad and then realise that shifting a few inches is the right answer. ;D c) push through people and nearly knock them flying. I try not to do this as I'm a big chap but sometimes it is unavoidable if there is no movement. You then get the scowl from hell and moans for being rude.   I don't really don't understand why people will not do the really obvious thing to help themselves and others. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 23:46:06 GMT
I think London bus users aren't expecting people to be getting off at the front as most buses are obviously dual door. Outside London passengers seem more ready to wait before boarding.
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Post by 52000 on Mar 14, 2013 17:49:05 GMT
This is one of the few routes probably truly worthy of being called "useless", though it's being withdrawn at the end of contract and merged into the 314 anyway. That's two I'd call pointless, the 415 & T32 - other than that, I think just about every other route in my opinion has a point and/or isn't useless. 349? That's surely useless aswell. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 14, 2013 18:29:12 GMT
That's two I'd call pointless, the 415 & T32 - other than that, I think just about every other route in my opinion has a point and/or isn't useless. 349? That's surely useless aswell. Afraid I've never used it so couldn't possibly comment  |
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Post by Trident on Mar 14, 2013 20:13:40 GMT
That's two I'd call pointless, the 415 & T32 - other than that, I think just about every other route in my opinion has a point and/or isn't useless. 349? That's surely useless aswell. Id say the 349 escapes it for me from.being 'useless'. If the 149 or 279 go shambles then at least you will have an alternative from Edmonton. |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 14, 2013 20:54:18 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 14, 2013 22:00:08 GMT
349? That's surely useless as well. I'd say the 349 escapes it for me from being 'useless'. If the 149 or 279 go shambles then at least you will have an alternative from Edmonton. Precisely. I do understand why people nominate the 349 as "useless" but it does still provide vital capacity. It may not do hugely well on the Seven Sisters - Stamford Hill section but that's more to do with journey patterns in the area which tend to go from Seven Sisters to at least Stoke Newington and on to Dalston. You only have to see how it can arrive at Seven Sisters from the north jammed full in the rush hour and be swamped going north of SS to see the capacity is needed. The other issue is that LT and TfL have never stopped tinkering with the A10 corridor - the frequencies and route structures of the various services have changed back and forth. In recentish times a fair number of buses have been taken off bits of the corridor (149 / 349 / old 359) and others put back (279). As we have debated in a different thread there is other fiddling that could be done with the 349 but you'd still need to look after capacity on Tottenham High Rd and north. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 22:03:43 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40. The City and London Bridge generate enough bums on seats for the 40 do they not? |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 14, 2013 22:14:06 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40. The 40 is well used. Also helps when the 176 & 185 are delayed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 23:05:33 GMT
I think London bus users aren't expecting people to be getting off at the front as most buses are obviously dual door. Outside London passengers seem more ready to wait before boarding. There may be some truth to that, but the stop in question though is a hail and ride one on a road only served by the 315. So anyone who knows to wait there will also know the sort of bus to expect. I think a big part of the problem is that the nature of the route means that the only stops which see large numbers of people boarding are at the starts of the route or the Streatham High Road area. So the people getting on there never find themselves in the same position to make them realise how stupid they are being. From that stop they will either be going to a local hail and ride stop or West Norwood itself. Although even that does not explain why people are the same on the tube (and trains) as snoggle rightly points out, as they will almost certainly experience other people doing the same. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 15, 2013 0:26:36 GMT
I reckon the 40 would be more useful if re-routed between Camberwell Green and Elephant to serve Peckham Road, then via 343 up Southampton Way, Thurlow Street, Rodney Road, etc to Elephant. This would give the heavily residentual old North Peckham Estate extra buses. As it is now the 176 covers 2/3 of the 40. I quite like this idea, especially as the estate, when rebuilt, will be housing even more residents than before so an extra can do no harm. 'NCT' - Walworth Road would still have a link to London Bridge & the City in the form of the 35. 'metrobus' - The 40 would still help out the 176 & 185 between Camberwell Green & Dulwich Plough plus there are plenty of routes between Camberwell Green & Elephant & Castle. I've always thought there are one too many routes along Walworth Road. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 7:30:21 GMT
I like the idea of routing the 40 via North Peckham estate, at the moment the 40 is only anything like busy at peak times.
The 349 virtually duplicates the 279, extend the 149 back to Ponders End and maintain capacity between Edmonton Green and Stamford Hill with a new link to Hackney.
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Post by 52000 on Mar 15, 2013 9:00:49 GMT
I wonder why they cut the 349. Maybe if it was extended at one end to Enfield Town and the other end to Hackney/Homerton? I think it could be a useful link that could help the trains. But at the moment the route would be covered by short 149s. Also I do use the 349 in the rush hours sometimes and it is very busy. From what I've seen people will just get the first bus north or south.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 10:05:30 GMT
I wonder why they cut the 349. Maybe if it was extended at one end to Enfield Town and the other end to Hackney/Homerton? I think it could be a useful link that could help the trains. But at the moment the route would be covered by short 149s. Also I do use the 349 in the rush hours sometimes and it is very busy. From what I've seen people will just get the first bus north or south. Perhaps the 149 could be run in two overlapping sections, e.g. Shoreditch to Ponders End, London Bridge to Edmonton Green. Then both sections would be the roughly the same length, and Ponders End would have a link to Shoreditch where a variety of other buses into Central London etc. are available. Just a thought. Overlapping sections went out years ago and probably just as well, they just cause confusion. Be simpler just to extend the existing 349 to Shoreditch, it would do the same job but I think the 349 would be better extended to Hackney but then the Stamford Hill to Hackney section is overbussed with the 253 and 254 as well. Return the 149 to Ponders End, withdraw the 349 and reroute the 254 to Edmonton Green perhaps? |
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