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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:01:14 GMT
But surely that depends on which routes somebody is proposing to axe or increase? Certainly the suggestion made earlier in the thread of withdrawing the 415 and making the 432 Elephant & Castle to Elmers End makes perfect sense to me. The 415/432 proposals are a bit different, I suppose - they're suggesting sticking one route on the end of another, rather than trying to cut the level of service like the 13/82/139 proposal. But that will reduce the capacity of service between Tulse Hill and Brixton which was the driver for introducing the 415 in the 1st place, unless you are proposing to have the combined frequency over the whole route |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:03:51 GMT
The 415/432 proposals are a bit different, I suppose - they're suggesting sticking one route on the end of another, rather than trying to cut the level of service like the 13/82/139 proposal. But that will reduce the capacity of service between Tulse Hill and Brixton which was the driver for introducing the 415 in the 1st place, unless you are proposing to have the combined frequency over the whole route Every 8 Mins should be good. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:06:50 GMT
I find that too.......particularly people who come on a thread about the most useless bus route insisting that no bus routes are useless. If that's what they think that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion, but wouldn't it be better if they gave this thread a swerve? Just a thought. Best to just ignore certainly people I find is best. I drive the route every single day. I'm telling you it's used regardless of what you've seen. The reason we get worked up is because we're the people out there doing the job and some of the comments and opinions really do grate because there's no real facts or experiences behind it. Just deluded opinions. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:08:37 GMT
The 415/432 proposals are a bit different, I suppose - they're suggesting sticking one route on the end of another, rather than trying to cut the level of service like the 13/82/139 proposal. But that will reduce the capacity of service between Tulse Hill and Brixton which was the driver for introducing the 415 in the 1st place, unless you are proposing to have the combined frequency over the whole route Do you use that section of route? The extra capacity of the 415 was never needed, the 2 and 432 are more than adequate. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:10:32 GMT
I had pledged not to post on here again because of all the vitriol and bile on here but anyway if I can put an idea for the 130 197 and 312 forward without being shot down in flames? Simply curtail the 130 and 312 at Ashburton Park, there is a stand in Stroud Green Way, and return them to Norwood Junction via Spring Lane when the weight limit is removed. This would bring the 312 back to its correct route along Lower Addiscombe Road. Leave the 197 as it is although a frequency increase can probably be justified anyway regardless of the 130 and 312 change. In an ideal world a free to use shuttle service would be provided between Ashburton Park and Norwood Junction using Solo's or something similar that comply with the weight restriction. That is a perfectly reasonable alternative option, its nice to read something constructive rather than being shouted down all the time  |
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 13, 2013 11:15:15 GMT
Its true really there isn't a useless route around. All routes have varying demand and uses. You have very established routes like the 13, 36 and 159 then you have say lesser routes like 359, 375 but they exist to serve a specific demand - all public transport at the end of the day. All routes are reviewed and changes made where appropriate - seems to me to work pretty well. The tread is of interest by the various debate and views. I find that too.......particularly people who come on a thread about the most useless bus route insisting that no bus routes are useless. If that's what they think that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion, but wouldn't it be better if they gave this thread a swerve? Just a thought. Best to just ignore certainly people I find is best. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:16:41 GMT
349 ;D Just give us back our old 149 service  Yes I'd agree with returning the 149 to Ponders End and withdrawing the 349. To maintain headways between Stamford Hill and Edmonton Green how about rerouting the 254 to Edmonton Green? The 253 would still provide a link from Hackney to Finsbury Park etc. Just a thought..............open to constructive comments. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:17:15 GMT
I find that too.......particularly people who come on a thread about the most useless bus route insisting that no bus routes are useless. If that's what they think that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion, but wouldn't it be better if they gave this thread a swerve? Just a thought. Best to just ignore certainly people I find is best. Well clearly your opinion of useless is different to many others on here. The last most useless route was the PR2 which still exists but replaced by two others. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:17:50 GMT
Its true really there isn't a useless route around. All routes have varying demand and uses. You have very established routes like the 13, 36 and 159 then you have say lesser routes like 359, 375 but they exist to serve a specific demand - all public transport at the end of the day. All routes are reviewed and changes made where appropriate - seems to me to work pretty well. The tread is of interest by the various debate and views. I find that too.......particularly people who come on a thread about the most useless bus route insisting that no bus routes are useless. If that's what they think that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion, but wouldn't it be better if they gave this thread a swerve? Just a thought. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:20:54 GMT
The definition of Useless is
1. of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile: It is useless to reason with him.
Many of the routes people have mentioned are not useless at all because they are actually used and serve a purpose.
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 13, 2013 11:26:24 GMT
I can't recall the PR2 being useless. When the area was reviewed it was just better to make changes. I find that too.......particularly people who come on a thread about the most useless bus route insisting that no bus routes are useless. If that's what they think that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion, but wouldn't it be better if they gave this thread a swerve? Just a thought. Well clearly your opinion of useless is different to many others on here. The last most useless route was the PR2 which still exists but replaced by two others. |
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 13, 2013 11:28:00 GMT
Indeed - the 129 is far from useless as it supports the 188 with the Greenwich link. Could it do more, yes certainly which we all agree on. The definition of Useless is 1. of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile: It is useless to reason with him. Many of the routes people have mentioned are not useless at all because they are actually used and serve a purpose. Exactly - this is why my opposition to the majority of suggestions on this thread has been so vehement - I'm not sure people realise the value of some bus routes. I've defended the 129 a lot in the past - it's a feeder service providing a local link efficiently - even if it can be a favourite target for its shortness. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:31:23 GMT
I find that too.......particularly people who come on a thread about the most useless bus route insisting that no bus routes are useless. If that's what they think that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinion, but wouldn't it be better if they gave this thread a swerve? Just a thought. I'd like to see you find a truly useless bus route, Mr Isaac. As I've said countless times, a route that nobody was using probably wouldn't exist - naturally TFL keep an eye on these things and wouldn't keep funding a bus route which was carrying zero people. This is all about opinions, nobody has to be right or wrong. I do actually think the 13 and 139 are ok as they are but if somebody wants to suggest otherwise that's fine, I don't have a problem with that and I can't see why anybody else should. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:35:41 GMT
The definition of Useless is 1. of no use; not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile: It is useless to reason with him. Many of the routes people have mentioned are not useless at all because they are actually used and serve a purpose. Exactly - this is why my opposition to the majority of suggestions on this thread has been so vehement - I'm not sure people realise the value of some bus routes. I've defended the 129 a lot in the past - it's a feeder service providing a local link efficiently - even if it can be a favourite target for its shortness. Exactly. The majority of comments are biased IMO and don't really consider anyone and forget the actual value of bus routes. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 13, 2013 11:37:06 GMT
I'd like to see you find a truly useless bus route, Mr Isaac. As I've said countless times, a route that nobody was using probably wouldn't exist - naturally TFL keep an eye on these things and wouldn't keep funding a bus route which was carrying zero people. This is all about opinions, nobody has to be right or wrong. I do actually think the 13 and 139 are ok as they are but if somebody wants to suggest otherwise that's fine, I don't have a problem with that and I can't see why anybody else should. No, It's a discussion Forum. Not just pure opinions. 1 Fact stands over 1000 opinions. You can say all the opinions you want but your not going to achieve anything. Threads like this actually bring people to post up senseless ideas which are not actually going to help change anything. |
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