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Post by wirewiper on Oct 7, 2019 10:37:33 GMT
I think the thing here is GAL having the most experience with electric buses plus a strategic view around investment. They clearly feel they could win up to 14 years worth of work off the back of this. The technology will improve over time offering potential efficiencies. The other thing is that if you're doing infrastructure then pick a good location. NP has loads of electrical stuff nearby and will gain more as new housing goes in. TfL would also appear to endorse garage based electrical investment so the paymaster is being kept happy. Finally the Mayor will want to see his vision spread far and wide. Given the differences with WCC I think Oxford Street is less of a priority right now. Don't reward your political opponents prior to the election. I get he wants to spread his vision and understand the issue with Oxford Street but he has no differences with Lambeth or Wandsworth councils who both have two particular roads that are regularly in the top 10 for most polluted roads in London - me, I couldn't care less about getting electrics or not but for a PR happy mayor, odd he never went for it. That would lead to another "New Bus for London" situation, a Mayor dictating vehicle and allocation policy and leaving Transport for London with the headache of administering it all. And ironically that was a Mayor from the political party that favours hands-off light touch regulation. Electric buses require significant capital investment, and at the moment companies like Go-Ahead, RATP and Metroline are making commercial decisions to take the investment risk themselves, with the intention of future commercial benefit. And as snoggle points out, NP is a location that is particularly well suited to the investment.
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Post by brutxi on Oct 7, 2019 11:05:52 GMT
I am actually quite happy to see a couple of non high profile routes getting electric vehicles. Allocation of electric vehicles should not be concentrated solely in zone 1. With the ULEZ expansion in 2021, I am sure residents especially in Waltham Forest would appreciate the difference in air quality. Going by that note then, surely the electric buses should be introduced on the worst polluting corridors of which I don't believe any are in Waltham Forest? The most polluted roads in London are Putney High Street, Brixton Road & Marylebone Road so surely these should be a priority first Also, no matter what new buses would be brought, air quality would improve regardless of whether they're hybrids, electrics or diesels. But haven't routes serving the worst polluting corridors had their Euro 6 standard vehicles cascaded in at the cost of other routes that were initially destined to receive Euro 6 complaint vehicles to try and tackle it as your last point is fairly evident? The warning signs of increasing pollution levels have always been there. You can only look at the unfortunate death of Ella Kissi-Debrah in 2013. Much more should have been done do tackle air quality however my main point is that if I am a resident of Waltham Forest (A406) or Barnet (A406) and suffer from respiratory symptoms I would be happier to hear that my local route would be emission free.
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Post by brutxi on Oct 7, 2019 11:59:27 GMT
I think the thing here is GAL having the most experience with electric buses plus a strategic view around investment. They clearly feel they could win up to 14 years worth of work off the back of this. The technology will improve over time offering potential efficiencies. The other thing is that if you're doing infrastructure then pick a good location. NP has loads of electrical stuff nearby and will gain more as new housing goes in. TfL would also appear to endorse garage based electrical investment so the paymaster is being kept happy. Finally the Mayor will want to see his vision spread far and wide. Given the differences with WCC I think Oxford Street is less of a priority right now. Don't reward your political opponents prior to the election. Having lived in Eindhoven for a number of years a good example of having a strategic view around sound investment in electric vehicles is what they have done within the last 4 years. Having VDL (Surprised they do not have much of a presence in the UK) also based in the city they also serve as a contractor so when it comes to installing, servicing and maintaining equipment such as the fast charging facilities are easily costed. As you've mentioned GAL are now investing knowingly they could win/maintain work.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 7, 2019 18:58:35 GMT
Can't wait for TfL to use this as more PR for improving buses in outer London, and that they've worked to improve air quality in the suburbs. I think the part 245 allocation of hydrogens was following a similar line of thought (but that's gone up in smoke or should I say hydrogen gas).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 19:38:37 GMT
Very unlikely but can't help but wonder at the fall out if there was a mass power outage in the future. Wouldn't affect a garage with a mixture of routes so much but garages like NP and RA would have huge problems.
Lets also hope there is a not a huge increase in the price of electricity after Brexit
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 7, 2019 19:53:45 GMT
My guess is the official press release for the 106/212/230/357 will be on Friday which just happens to be the last day of the 48.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 8, 2019 5:24:48 GMT
Can't wait for TfL to use this as more PR for improving buses in outer London, and that they've worked to improve air quality in the suburbs. I think the part 245 allocation of hydrogens was following a similar line of thought (but that's gone up in smoke or should I say hydrogen gas). Gets coat There was no plan for a part-conversion of route 245 to hydrogen buses, that was an error in the press release which was made because the 245 is operated from the same depot as the 7/N7.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 8, 2019 16:14:27 GMT
Can't wait for TfL to use this as more PR for improving buses in outer London, and that they've worked to improve air quality in the suburbs. I think the part 245 allocation of hydrogens was following a similar line of thought (but that's gone up in smoke or should I say hydrogen gas). Gets coat There was no plan for a part-conversion of route 245 to hydrogen buses, that was an error in the press release which was made because the 245 is operated from the same depot as the 7/N7. Actually I think you'll find only the 7 and 245 are run from PV. The N7 is run from PA.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 17, 2019 17:04:02 GMT
Is the 7 still receiving the Hydrogen buses?
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Post by snowman on Oct 29, 2019 17:17:21 GMT
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Post by redbus on Oct 29, 2019 18:15:50 GMT
Is the 7 still receiving the Hydrogen buses? I would be surprised if that did not happen. Bamford who bought Wrightbus owns Ryse Hydrogen and one of their big things is hydrogen buses, so I am sure they will be anxious to fulfil this contract for the 7 and prove hydrogen buses, so hopefully (for them) more will be bought.
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Post by redbus on Oct 29, 2019 18:17:49 GMT
I think the thing here is GAL having the most experience with electric buses plus a strategic view around investment. They clearly feel they could win up to 14 years worth of work off the back of this. The technology will improve over time offering potential efficiencies. The other thing is that if you're doing infrastructure then pick a good location. NP has loads of electrical stuff nearby and will gain more as new housing goes in. TfL would also appear to endorse garage based electrical investment so the paymaster is being kept happy. Finally the Mayor will want to see his vision spread far and wide. Given the differences with WCC I think Oxford Street is less of a priority right now. Don't reward your political opponents prior to the election. I had been hoping that given the hoo haa over pollution in Oxford Street there would be effort to make the remaining buses down it zero emission. I think you are right about politics and Oxford Street may well not be a priority.
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Post by 10121ddo on Nov 13, 2019 17:16:03 GMT
Do we reckon the E400ER MMC will ever hit our streets? Very confusing as to what it is. Seems to be a hybrid that can do 3 miles on electric mode... what on earth differentiates it from the E400H MMC? Would be good to see it take orders which will likely go to BYD/ADL electric double deckers, like what's been seen at NP for 2020... Also, is there any competitor at all left out there to take on the BYD/ADL Double Decker electric? Surely Volvo will concoct something without needing Wrightbus? Volvo electric powered chassis on the E400MMC?
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Post by rj131 on Nov 13, 2019 18:25:36 GMT
Do we reckon the E400ER MMC will ever hit our streets? Very confusing as to what it is. Seems to be a hybrid that can do 3 miles on electric mode... what on earth differentiates it from the E400H MMC? Would be good to see it take orders which will likely go to BYD/ADL electric double deckers, like what's been seen at NP for 2020... Also, is there any competitor at all left out there to take on the BYD/ADL Double Decker electric? Surely Volvo will concoct something without needing Wrightbus? Volvo electric powered chassis on the E400MMC? Yes in 2021 Volvo is ‘concocting’ as you put it an electric double decker which will only be available on MCV (so presumably EvoSeti unless they bring out a new model) bodywork.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2019 18:29:42 GMT
Do we reckon the E400ER MMC will ever hit our streets? Very confusing as to what it is. Seems to be a hybrid that can do 3 miles on electric mode... what on earth differentiates it from the E400H MMC? Would be good to see it take orders which will likely go to BYD/ADL electric double deckers, like what's been seen at NP for 2020... Also, is there any competitor at all left out there to take on the BYD/ADL Double Decker electric? Surely Volvo will concoct something without needing Wrightbus? Volvo electric powered chassis on the E400MMC? The Enviro 400ER is primarily more aimed at outside London operators who have routes that cross through ULEZ’s or green corridors but don’t have the same intensive road network as London and where the cost saving is likely marginal at best. The ones for Brighton will run through the North Street green corridor.
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