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Post by SILENCED on Oct 21, 2021 10:46:37 GMT
I have been on both a BCE (31) and an OE (18) and the best thing was the smoothness of the ride. The only thing that could make me more likely to take the bus. But for me, I have no choice; can't drive, regularly use a bus route that is electrifying so I have to get electric buses. On a separate note. I don't really feel that it is that much better for the environment, as, at night, when the vehicles are being recharged, up to 70% (19 GW) of energy is produced from nuclear, coal and natural gas sources, all non-renewable. (All measurements taken on the morning of the 18th September). This can decrease when it is very windy. (Early this morning 50% of energy came from non-renewable sources) You are overlooking the zero-emissions aspect at the tailpipe; electric buses can contribute to the cleaning up of London's air in a significant way. One way of ensuring that a greater proportion of renewables goes into the production of electricity, is to use less electricity in the first place. That is why a strategy to reduce car use and dependency is a serious omission from the Government's Green agenda. Just replacing petrol/diesel cars with electric ones on a one-to-one basis, without any strategies to reduce car use by encouraging modal shift and more localism, is not going to be enough. Unfortunately that typifies all that is bad about the British and Londoners. Make something better for me, I don't care if it makes it worse for others elsewhere. This view that peoples want for personal transportation is going to evaporate is a fable. Unfortunately you are going to have to accept it is always going to be there now and plan for it now.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2021 11:55:17 GMT
You are overlooking the zero-emissions aspect at the tailpipe; electric buses can contribute to the cleaning up of London's air in a significant way. One way of ensuring that a greater proportion of renewables goes into the production of electricity, is to use less electricity in the first place. That is why a strategy to reduce car use and dependency is a serious omission from the Government's Green agenda. Just replacing petrol/diesel cars with electric ones on a one-to-one basis, without any strategies to reduce car use by encouraging modal shift and more localism, is not going to be enough. Unfortunately that typifies all that is bad about the British and Londoners. Make something better for me, I don't care if it makes it worse for others elsewhere. This view that peoples want for personal transportation is going to evaporate is a fable. Unfortunately you are going to have to accept it is always going to be there now and plan for it now. No it doesn’t providing it’s done properly and it’s not just the British who have this view - Berlin is doing the same so at the very least, slate all those places who are doing it rather than one. Besides, there are certain people who have a genuine need for their own car such as long distance drives & work related things but many others could easily switch to transport without any detrimental effects at all.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 21, 2021 11:56:48 GMT
I have been on both a BCE (31) and an OE (18) and the best thing was the smoothness of the ride. The only thing that could make me more likely to take the bus. But for me, I have no choice; can't drive, regularly use a bus route that is electrifying so I have to get electric buses. On a separate note. I don't really feel that it is that much better for the environment, as, at night, when the vehicles are being recharged, up to 70% (19 GW) of energy is produced from nuclear, coal and natural gas sources, all non-renewable. (All measurements taken on the morning of the 18th September). This can decrease when it is very windy. (Early this morning 50% of energy came from non-renewable sources) You are overlooking the zero-emissions aspect at the tailpipe; electric buses can contribute to the cleaning up of London's air in a significant way. One way of ensuring that a greater proportion of renewables goes into the production of electricity, is to use less electricity in the first place. That is why a strategy to reduce car use and dependency is a serious omission from the Government's Green agenda. Just replacing petrol/diesel cars with electric ones on a one-to-one basis, without any strategies to reduce car use by encouraging modal shift and more localism, is not going to be enough. I understand about the tailpipe. I agree that car usage is one of the best ways to be more sustainable.
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 21, 2021 12:48:01 GMT
Unfortunately that typifies all that is bad about the British and Londoners. Make something better for me, I don't care if it makes it worse for others elsewhere. This view that peoples want for personal transportation is going to evaporate is a fable. Unfortunately you are going to have to accept it is always going to be there now and plan for it now. No it doesn’t providing it’s done properly and it’s not just the British who have this view - Berlin is doing the same so at the very least, slate all those places who are doing it rather than one. Besides, there are certain people who have a genuine need for their own car such as long distance drives & work related things but many others could easily switch to transport without any detrimental effects at all. Could being the operative word there, not want or desire. Why would you not want your own personal door the door transport when you constantly read of bad things happening to those walking the streets.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2021 13:30:19 GMT
No it doesn’t providing it’s done properly and it’s not just the British who have this view - Berlin is doing the same so at the very least, slate all those places who are doing it rather than one. Besides, there are certain people who have a genuine need for their own car such as long distance drives & work related things but many others could easily switch to transport without any detrimental effects at all. Could being the operative word there, not want or desire. Why would you not want your own personal door the door transport when you constantly read of bad things happening to those walking the streets. If you think having your own car stops you from being a statistic in said instances, your very much mistaken. Many people are attacked because some wants to not because you got off a bus, private hire vehicle or walked rather than your own car. You can go back through the years and find many cases of people being mugged as they've gone to or from the car, a lot of the time as they're about to get in or having juts got out.
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Post by rj131 on Oct 21, 2021 15:27:35 GMT
No it doesn’t providing it’s done properly and it’s not just the British who have this view - Berlin is doing the same so at the very least, slate all those places who are doing it rather than one. Besides, there are certain people who have a genuine need for their own car such as long distance drives & work related things but many others could easily switch to transport without any detrimental effects at all. Could being the operative word there, not want or desire. Why would you not want your own personal door the door transport when you constantly read of bad things happening to those walking the streets. I have to say your first line is absolutely right. Services are being cut, fares are being raised and it’s a lottery of whether the bus even turns up at all, yet bus companies want us to ditch our cars and get on the buses, it’s hardly an advocate for switching to public transport. (I’m talking provincial services here. I have to say London despite all the cuts TfL are making, London has one of the best bus networks I’d say in the world). I can vouch for this as I have this problem with my local bus route. Trust me everyone I know who doesn’t drive and has to use the bus can’t wait to get their driving license so they never have to use the bus again! I live 10 minutes from work. I can get up at 6:15am, leave the house at 6:45 and drive to work to be at work comfortably on time for 7am. If I wanted to get the bus to start work for 7am, I’d have to be out of the house at 6:20, walk to the bus stop and the bus will get me there for 6:45 (if it’s on time! And it’s a big if!) and hang around for 15 minutes. In fact this what my work friend has to do if I’m not working on the same day to bring them in with me. Then there’s the cost of it, I spend about £50 on fuel a month (and that includes all the non work journeys I do in my car too) and if I was to get the bus I use every day *just* to work, trust me it’d cost a d*mn site more than that over the course of a month. Plus that wouldn’t include the times I’d inevitably have to call a taxi to get me to work on time if the frigging bus doesn’t turn up at all! Which my friend has had to do on a unfortunate few occasions which is pretty atrocious tbh. Then there’s the issue of getting home, my bus service during the day is meant to run every 10-15min from my place of work, but all too often my work friend who finishes earlier than me (so has to solely rely on the bus to get home) has to often wait more than half an hour for the bus to finally lumber along. When you can just get in your car and just go where you want, when you want, in comfort, AND for less money and more conveniently, there is no mode of transport that the car will play second fiddle to. None. Plus when I pay other significant annual costs like servicing, MOT and insurance to use my car in the first place, why would I want to spend even more money to use the bus to somewhere when I can just go there with the tool I’m paying to run in the first place?
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 21, 2021 16:18:11 GMT
Could being the operative word there, not want or desire. Why would you not want your own personal door the door transport when you constantly read of bad things happening to those walking the streets. I have to say your first line is absolutely right. Services are being cut, fares are being raised and it’s a lottery of whether the bus even turns up at all, yet bus companies want us to ditch our cars and get on the buses, it’s hardly an advocate for switching to public transport. (I’m talking provincial services here. I have to say London despite all the cuts TfL are making, London has one of the best bus networks I’d say in the world). I can vouch for this as I have this problem with my local bus route. Trust me everyone I know who doesn’t drive and has to use the bus can’t wait to get their driving license so they never have to use the bus again! I live 10 minutes from work. I can get up at 6:15am, leave the house at 6:45 and drive to work to be at work comfortably on time for 7am. If I wanted to get the bus to start work for 7am, I’d have to be out of the house at 6:20, walk to the bus stop and the bus will get me there for 6:45 (if it’s on time! And it’s a big if!) and hang around for 15 minutes. In fact this what my work friend has to do if I’m not working on the same day to bring them in with me. Then there’s the cost of it, I spend about £50 on fuel a month (and that includes all the non work journeys I do in my car too) and if I was to get the bus I use every day *just* to work, trust me it’d cost a d*mn site more than that over the course of a month. Plus that wouldn’t include the times I’d inevitably have to call a taxi to get me to work on time if the frigging bus doesn’t turn up at all! Which my friend has had to do on a unfortunate few occasions which is pretty atrocious tbh. Then there’s the issue of getting home, my bus service during the day is meant to run every 10-15min from my place of work, but all too often my work friend who finishes earlier than me (so has to solely rely on the bus to get home) has to often wait more than half an hour for the bus to finally lumber along. When you can just get in your car and just go where you want, when you want, in comfort, AND for less money and more conveniently, there is no mode of transport that the car will play second fiddle to. None. Plus when I pay other significant annual costs like servicing, MOT and insurance to use my car in the first place, why would I want to spend even more money to use the bus to somewhere when I can just go there with the tool I’m paying to run in the first place? Sounds like the not 'without any detrimental impact' that was mentioned earlier 😂🤣
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 21, 2021 17:18:27 GMT
I have been on both a BCE (31) and an OE (18) and the best thing was the smoothness of the ride. The only thing that could make me more likely to take the bus. But for me, I have no choice; can't drive, regularly use a bus route that is electrifying so I have to get electric buses. On a separate note. I don't really feel that it is that much better for the environment, as, at night, when the vehicles are being recharged, up to 70% (19 GW) of energy is produced from nuclear, coal and natural gas sources, all non-renewable. (All measurements taken on the morning of the 18th September). This can decrease when it is very windy. (Early this morning 50% of energy came from non-renewable sources) Whilst not renewable nuclear power is amongst the greenest in terms of pollution and sustainability. The reality is that renewable energy sources are just not designed for producing mass electricity and couldn’t support our growing needs globally. We need organisations like the UN or private firms to invest in proving nuclear fusion if we want to truly detach from non-renewables. Nuclear is good until it come to disposing of spent fuel and decommissioning. OK, not climate related, but different kind of problems. I will probably be dead by the time any new nuclear power station is decommissioned, so won't be my problem, but will be for future generations, just in the same way past generations have not scrapped any of the old decommissioned nuclear powered submarines and the scrapping costs fall to us over the next 20 or so years
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Post by BusesInLondon on Nov 12, 2021 20:48:50 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 12, 2021 21:13:12 GMT
If the batteries an the Arrival are not in the roof, I can not work out where they are
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Post by snowman on Nov 14, 2021 16:01:11 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2021 21:10:17 GMT
Does look quite nice. The 300 mile range would definitely be good for the Sutton routes thou if A would suit Pantograph charging then I think its only the City's.
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Post by busoccultation on Nov 17, 2021 18:43:11 GMT
With a wide range of different lengths available to choose from I do see the potential of a few London orders of that especially the shorter lengths examples providing they do meet the TfL specs.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 17, 2021 19:08:09 GMT
With a wide range of different lengths available to choose from I do see the potential of a few London orders of that especially the shorter lengths examples providing they do meet the TfL specs.
Initially released in 7m and 10m lengths, although they say 8, 9m, 11m and 12m models will be released in 2022
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2021 19:28:45 GMT
With a wide range of different lengths available to choose from I do see the potential of a few London orders of that especially the shorter lengths examples providing they do meet the TfL specs.
Shame about the name being the same as this - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optare_Sigma
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