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Post by SN17MOA on Aug 3, 2022 14:40:07 GMT
I think there was an update at some point, but that should have affected all batches after the 94's. The 69's Ees at Go Ahead were possibly the first revised batch in London, also having the middle seat missing at the back. Similarly with the E200EVs, the battery pack on the roof was made flatter, I think starting with the batch new to the 444. Well all I know is the FW batch are no where near as nice to drive as the 125 batch. I’d be interested to have a go in the 183 batch to see if they’re similar to the 125s as they’re newer. Do you have the same opinion with FW's BEs in comparison to the ones currently on loan destined for the 235?
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Post by Frenzie on Aug 3, 2022 15:18:52 GMT
Well all I know is the FW batch are no where near as nice to drive as the 125 batch. I’d be interested to have a go in the 183 batch to see if they’re similar to the 125s as they’re newer. Do you have the same opinion with FW's BEs in comparison to the ones currently on loan destined for the 235? I don’t drive the 371 or 290, but from what I can tell from what other drivers tell me is the 235s BEs are excellent compared to the 371/290 batch. I’ve driven two, one from each batch, and both were lovely to drive.
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Post by Frenzie on Aug 3, 2022 18:03:41 GMT
I don’t drive the 371 or 290, but from what I can tell from what other drivers tell me is the 235s BEs are excellent compared to the 371/290 batch. I’ve driven two, one from each batch, and both were lovely to drive. From your experience as a driver at FW, do you prefer driving the electric buses over the diesels or the other way around? (I know there's difference with makes, models, batches etc, but I'm just interested to hear your opinions) I rode the 33 with a 235 destined BE and I would say the acceleration on those is arguably better than most diesels, and was much smoother. I did feel like it kinda tips backwards when it accelerates, though that might have just been me though. That trip could be the halt break releasing. I prefer the electrics. They’re air conditioned, have very spacious cabs and the mirrors are superb. That being said, they are longer, have very heavy steering and also rattle so much considering they’re quite new. The VHs on the other hand are like driving a car with how agile and quick they are. Given the nature of the route 33 the electrics are a lot nicer in the stop start traffic on sheen road.
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Post by yunus on Aug 11, 2022 17:23:35 GMT
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Post by rugbyref on Aug 11, 2022 18:23:57 GMT
When even the Labour local council in Croydon is against Khan’s ridiculous plan, it is time for him to be made to shut up.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2022 21:19:33 GMT
When even the Labour local council in Croydon is against Khan’s ridiculous plan, it is time for him to be made to shut up. Where does it state in the article that Labour in Croydon is against it or was this mentioned elsewhere as the article itself only mentions London Tories asking for the scheme to be scrapped and electrify buses instead (which is an odd point to make when buses are moving over to electric operation in any event)
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 11, 2022 21:59:17 GMT
When even the Labour local council in Croydon is against Khan’s ridiculous plan, it is time for him to be made to shut up. Where does it state in the article that Labour in Croydon is against it or was this mentioned elsewhere as the article itself only mentions London Tories asking for the scheme to be scrapped and electrify buses instead (which is an odd point to make when buses are moving over to electric operation in any event) I think their point is, reading between the lines, that the mayor has said previously that TfL couldn’t afford to electrify more bus routes without proper funding so why start a scheme that has an absurd £200m cost for what seems little benefit when the money could be used to actually electrify buses and investment in schemes like electric car grants that would do the same but at a faster pace.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Aug 11, 2022 22:09:21 GMT
Something else I’ve noticed is BCE143-156 are far more powerful that BCE30-83. Im not sure if the later batch was ordered with different spec motors. I think there was an update at some point, but that should have affected all batches after the 94's. The 69's Ees at Go Ahead were possibly the first revised batch in London, also having the middle seat missing at the back. Similarly with the E200EVs, the battery pack on the roof was made flatter, I think starting with the batch new to the 444. Only two batches are K10 BYD Enviro400EVCities, the 43 and 94 batch, the rest being D8URs
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Post by yunus on Aug 11, 2022 22:45:32 GMT
Where does it state in the article that Labour in Croydon is against it or was this mentioned elsewhere as the article itself only mentions London Tories asking for the scheme to be scrapped and electrify buses instead (which is an odd point to make when buses are moving over to electric operation in any event) I think their point is, reading between the lines, that the mayor has said previously that TfL couldn’t afford to electrify more bus routes without proper funding so why start a scheme that has an absurd £200m cost for what seems little benefit when the money could be used to actually electrify buses and investment in schemes like electric car grants that would do the same but at a faster pace. Would a situation without a long term deal affect the progress of bus electrification? Initally I thought the private operators buy them, not TFL.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2022 1:07:06 GMT
I think their point is, reading between the lines, that the mayor has said previously that TfL couldn’t afford to electrify more bus routes without proper funding so why start a scheme that has an absurd £200m cost for what seems little benefit when the money could be used to actually electrify buses and investment in schemes like electric car grants that would do the same but at a faster pace. Would a situation without a long term deal affect the progress of bus electrification? Initally I thought the private operators buy them, not TFL. The operators do buy the electrics, only LT's and a handful of other buses are actually owned by TfL
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Post by snowman on Aug 12, 2022 8:51:47 GMT
Would a situation without a long term deal affect the progress of bus electrification? Initally I thought the private operators buy them, not TFL. The operators do buy the electrics, only LT's and a handful of other buses are actually owned by TfL The Operators do get them, but ultimately they charge TfL for the extra cost of the buses and chargers by increasing the rate of 7 years of the contract So rather than TfL incurring a capital cost to buy them, they pay for it out of operating cost. Which spreads the payments, but makes bus operations look like it is loosing more money every month
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Post by rugbyref on Aug 12, 2022 9:51:26 GMT
When even the Labour local council in Croydon is against Khan’s ridiculous plan, it is time for him to be made to shut up. Where does it state in the article that Labour in Croydon is against it or was this mentioned elsewhere as the article itself only mentions London Tories asking for the scheme to be scrapped and electrify buses instead (which is an odd point to make when buses are moving over to electric operation in any event) On the radio news earlier this week.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 12, 2022 16:21:10 GMT
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Post by yunus on Aug 13, 2022 22:06:54 GMT
Would a situation without a long term deal affect the progress of bus electrification? Initally I thought the private operators buy them, not TFL. The operators do buy the electrics, only LT's and a handful of other buses are actually owned by TfL Cheers. Then the finance of TFL hopefully won't affect New buses as there are new models coming out from different manufacturers.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 13, 2022 22:24:47 GMT
The operators do buy the electrics, only LT's and a handful of other buses are actually owned by TfL Cheers. Then the finance of TFL hopefully won't affect New buses as there are new models coming out from different manufacturers. But ultimately TfL pays for the new buses in the tender cost. So if they had a choice of say LT vs new electrics they might go for the LT until the financial situation improves.
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