Prams in Gangways

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Russell Cade "Couldn't believe the 276 driver allowed this baby factory to leave her brat there when the designated area was empty"

Hi All. I saw a picture of a pram in the walkway on a 276 bus on facebook.

I personally think the following

Stupid decision from her as she blocks up the whole bus.
The driver simply doesn't care
The pram area is full up
She should fold up the pram

I know many won't agree with this, but I would demand her to move it because as she can see she is blocking the Whole walkway

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Like i remember on the trident where you have the tip down seat on the wheelchair area. They need to bring it back

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Mar 16, 2013 11:47:00 GMT DT 11 said:

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Hi All. I saw a picture of a pram in the walkway on a 276 bus on facebook.

I personally think the following

Stupid decision from her as she blocks up the whole bus.
The driver simply doesn't care
The pram area is full up
She should fold up the pram

I know many won't agree with this, but I would demand her to move it because as she can see she is blocking the Whole walkway

Do remember to credit the source of the image

Worth noting the poster of this image on Facebook said that the designated area was empty, so it wasn't an issue of folding at all.

You already know my thoughts on this, but I think it's best to ask politely first, and if ignored call for assistance. A bust-up usually just ends badly, whether it's with good intentions or not.

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Mar 16, 2013 11:49:38 GMT @freebbc said:

Like i remember on the trident where you have the tip down seat on the wheelchair area. They need to bring it back

I agree, the removal of tip-up seats is part of the problem as people can't necessarily sit next to their buggy. Doesn't excuse what she did at all, of course.

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Mar 16, 2013 11:49:38 GMT @freebbc said:

Like i remember on the trident where you have the tip down seat on the wheelchair area. They need to bring it back

Good Point!

[52000]

Is it me or do the HTL's on the 388 have two empty spaces. One for buggies, one for wheelchairs?

[VPL630]

Mar 16, 2013 11:49:38 GMT @freebbc said:

Like i remember on the trident where you have the tip down seat on the wheelchair area. They need to bring it back

Literally the best thing you have ever said, These need to be brought back, You could probably fit a few onto your NB4L ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Mar 16, 2013 12:35:44 GMT VPL630 said:

Mar 16, 2013 11:49:38 GMT @freebbc said:

Like i remember on the trident where you have the tip down seat on the wheelchair area. They need to bring it back

Literally the best thing you have ever said, These need to be brought back, You could probably fit a few onto your NB4L ;D ;D ;D ;D

You could have one hanging off the back platform for the "customer assistant" to sit on ;D

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I love the way everyone jumps to conclusions. For me the telling thing is how empty the bus is. I suspect the mum saw the bus was empty and just sat down in an empty seat with the buggy alongside. We do not know how far the lady in question is travelling - 2 stops or 20 stops. We do not know what she might have done if the bus did fill up.

The other day I was on the W11 and a lady, who seemed to be mentally impaired, got on. She had a large shopping trolley. She sat in the same position as in the above photo and her trolley blocked the aisle. She didn't seem to have any appreciation that she was blocking the aisle even though a lady was struggling to get past. She eventually moved the trolley a little bit so the lady could get to a seat. Is she worthy of being secretly snapped, plastered on Facebook and criticised?

Now I am not saying the two incidents are directly comparable. However I am somewhat saddened that people jump to 50 conclusions, take a photo, plaster it on Facebook and then condemn the person in the photo who has no knowledge of any of this. And now we have a poll about it ?!

I look forward to someone taking a photo of me sitting in the priority seats on a 123 and creating a poll about "fat people depriving needy grannies of their seats" which totally fails to add on the bit about "the fat person always gets out of those seats when someone in need has to use them".

I'm sorry but people really do have a strange way of viewing the world and of how to treat people. Would any of us like to be secretly filmed and then criticised just for using a bus?

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Mar 16, 2013 13:39:07 GMT snoggle said:

I love the way everyone jumps to conclusions. For me the telling thing is how empty the bus is. I suspect the mum saw the bus was empty and just sat down in an empty seat with the buggy alongside. We do not know how far the lady in question is travelling - 2 stops or 20 stops. We do not know what she might have done if the bus did fill up.

The other day I was on the W11 and a lady, who seemed to be mentally impaired, got on. She had a large shopping trolley. She sat in the same position as in the above photo and her trolley blocked the aisle. She didn't seem to have any appreciation that she was blocking the aisle even though a lady was struggling to get past. She eventually moved the trolley a little bit so the lady could get to a seat. Is she worthy of being secretly snapped, plastered on Facebook and criticised?

Now I am not saying the two incidents are directly comparable. However I am somewhat saddened that people jump to 50 conclusions, take a photo, plaster it on Facebook and then condemn the person in the photo who has no knowledge of any of this. And now we have a poll about it ?!

I look forward to someone taking a photo of me sitting in the priority seats on a 123 and creating a poll about "fat people depriving needy grannies of their seats" which totally fails to add on the bit about "the fat person always gets out of those seats when someone in need has to use them".

I'm sorry but people really do have a strange way of viewing the world and of how to treat people. Would any of us like to be secretly filmed and then criticised just for using a bus?

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you here. Empty bus or not, I don't believe it's fair that if you want to get on the 276 bus you should have to clamber round a buggy or wait for two minutes while someone moves it. What if there's a large number of people waiting to get on the bus, and it's pouring with rain? Is it fair to make people stand in the rain while everyone squeezes round or asks this person to move their buggy inside the bus? I can understand where you're coming from that it's an empty bus and it might seem harmless, but nonetheless blocking the narrow gangway on the bus isn't particularly considerate, especially when the designated area, designed specifically for buggies, is ignored and the buggy plonked in the gangway instead.

I can also understand people's frustrations, because neither is this a particularly isolated case - on this bus it's an empty one, I admit, but it's not always an empty one. I've had buses where the bus has been so crowded that no more people are allowed on, yet it's somehow acceptable for someone to ram their buggy on through the back doors and leave it blocking them. It makes it impossible to get off, and the blocking of the gangway is a potential fire hazard. If there was an emergency and I needed to alert the driver, I wouldn't particularly want to play hurdles with a buggy or argue with someone to move their buggy out of the way - it would not help the situation at all.

I don't see this as a deliberate attack on other passengers by this person, I just see it as inconsiderate and not very well thought-out. Admittedly a picture doesn't give the full situation, but I'm not sure how a fat person is relevant here - anyone can sit in the priority seats, and anyone can vacate them when necessary. It would be an incomparable non-story (though I admit you are talking in a figurative extreme here!). However, this is generally not really acceptable in any situation, especially when buses have a designated area for buggies, and that is ignored even when completely empty! I admit the poll is a little extreme, as I think everything that needs to be said has already been said, here and elsewhere on another group. However, this photo is representative of a wider problem of inconsiderate bus users, be it people who unnecessarily block the gangway or people that take priority seats and don't give them up. It's not spiteful or malicious, it's just unnecessary and doesn't really exercise common sense. If I ever do something inconsiderate like this, please do feel free to criticise my actions and decisions. I don't think it's fair to make personal remarks, though - they're not really relevant to the situation.

[greeny253]

Mar 16, 2013 12:09:21 GMT 52000 said:

Is it me or do the HTL's on the 388 have two empty spaces. One for buggies, one for wheelchairs?

Whether that was the intention or not I don't know but yes they have two seat free spaces on the bus. I personally think every bus in London should have that arrangement

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Mar 16, 2013 16:05:28 GMT greeny253 said:

Mar 16, 2013 12:09:21 GMT 52000 said:

Is it me or do the HTL's on the 388 have two empty spaces. One for buggies, one for wheelchairs?

Whether that was the intention or not I don't know but yes they have two seat free spaces on the bus. I personally think every bus in London should have that arrangement

I agree with you, with the caveat that they should probably also have tip-up seats to stop the reduction in lower-deck seating, as otherwise the generally sparse lower deck seating would be even more sparse and that's a problem for elderly/mobility issues.

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Mar 16, 2013 16:11:50 GMT @mredd said:

Mar 16, 2013 16:05:28 GMT greeny253 said:

Whether that was the intention or not I don't know but yes they have two seat free spaces on the bus. I personally think every bus in London should have that arrangement

I agree with you, with the caveat that they should probably also have tip-up seats to stop the reduction in lower-deck seating, as otherwise the generally sparse lower deck seating would be even more sparse and that's a problem for elderly/mobility issues.

Before they got the HTLs got refurbished they all had tip up seats four on both sides. However, I do agree that most buses should have a layout as the HTLs as it creates more room for "Buggy Users" to wonder about plus less arguments would prob won't happen. But then again you do get some pax's out there who is just me, me, me.

[snoggle]

Mar 16, 2013 13:53:38 GMT @mredd said:

Mar 16, 2013 13:39:07 GMT snoggle said:

I love the way everyone jumps to conclusions. For me the telling thing is how empty the bus is. I suspect the mum saw the bus was empty and just sat down in an empty seat with the buggy alongside. We do not know how far the lady in question is travelling - 2 stops or 20 stops. We do not know what she might have done if the bus did fill up.

The other day I was on the W11 and a lady, who seemed to be mentally impaired, got on. She had a large shopping trolley. She sat in the same position as in the above photo and her trolley blocked the aisle. She didn't seem to have any appreciation that she was blocking the aisle even though a lady was struggling to get past. She eventually moved the trolley a little bit so the lady could get to a seat. Is she worthy of being secretly snapped, plastered on Facebook and criticised?

Now I am not saying the two incidents are directly comparable. However I am somewhat saddened that people jump to 50 conclusions, take a photo, plaster it on Facebook and then condemn the person in the photo who has no knowledge of any of this. And now we have a poll about it ?!

I look forward to someone taking a photo of me sitting in the priority seats on a 123 and creating a poll about "fat people depriving needy grannies of their seats" which totally fails to add on the bit about "the fat person always gets out of those seats when someone in need has to use them".

I'm sorry but people really do have a strange way of viewing the world and of how to treat people. Would any of us like to be secretly filmed and then criticised just for using a bus?

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you here. Empty bus or not, I don't believe it's fair that if you want to get on the 276 bus you should have to clamber round a buggy or wait for two minutes while someone moves it. What if there's a large number of people waiting to get on the bus, and it's pouring with rain? Is it fair to make people stand in the rain while everyone squeezes round or asks this person to move their buggy inside the bus? I can understand where you're coming from that it's an empty bus and it might seem harmless, but nonetheless blocking the narrow gangway on the bus isn't particularly considerate, especially when the designated area, designed specifically for buggies, is ignored and the buggy plonked in the gangway instead.

I can also understand people's frustrations, because neither is this a particularly isolated case - on this bus it's an empty one, I admit, but it's not always an empty one. I've had buses where the bus has been so crowded that no more people are allowed on, yet it's somehow acceptable for someone to ram their buggy on through the back doors and leave it blocking them. It makes it impossible to get off, and the blocking of the gangway is a potential fire hazard. If there was an emergency and I needed to alert the driver, I wouldn't particularly want to play hurdles with a buggy or argue with someone to move their buggy out of the way - it would not help the situation at all.

I don't see this as a deliberate attack on other passengers by this person, I just see it as inconsiderate and not very well thought-out. Admittedly a picture doesn't give the full situation, but I'm not sure how a fat person is relevant here - anyone can sit in the priority seats, and anyone can vacate them when necessary. It would be an incomparable non-story (though I admit you are talking in a figurative extreme here!). However, this is generally not really acceptable in any situation, especially when buses have a designated area for buggies, and that is ignored even when completely empty! I admit the poll is a little extreme, as I think everything that needs to be said has already been said, here and elsewhere on another group. However, this photo is representative of a wider problem of inconsiderate bus users, be it people who unnecessarily block the gangway or people that take priority seats and don't give them up. It's not spiteful or malicious, it's just unnecessary and doesn't really exercise common sense. If I ever do something inconsiderate like this, please do feel free to criticise my actions and decisions. I don't think it's fair to make personal remarks, though - they're not really relevant to the situation.

I'm sorry but neither of us know what this "example" is. We are judging from a photo and condemnatory comments. We have no real facts. We do have prejorative remarks like "baby factory" and "brat" in the original quote. Is that called for? We do not know if the woman in the photo would or would not move if the bus picked up more people. We do not know where on the 276 the photo was taken. If it was two stops off the end of the route then it hardly matters does it?

Yes I have seen loads of buses jammed with buggies, I've had my feet run over and ankles bashed but I don't go round taking photos of the actual person and then stick it on facebook, do I? I have discussed the incidents but *without* all the sneering and condemnation that seems to be the norm these days.

The "fat person" being referred to was me!! ;D I have seen how people make instant judgements and sneer at me for seating in those seats. The point is that I move out of the way if those seats are needed. People make the same "instant judgements" about fat people as they do about young mothers. I'd be as likely to appear on someone's Facebook video clips as some poor mother but my point is that one clip or still does not present the whole truth about any event. Would someone doing a video about "fat slobs making grannies stand" also add a later video about "fat slob no longer a slob and lets granny have a seat"? Unlikely because making rash judgements and making harsh unfounded remarks is much easier than a balanced view?

I get wound up with people making snap judgements and then slagging off people on blogs and Facebook and the like in this sort of manner. The people who are featured have no right of reply. It's just wrong.

I know I get a bit heated on here but it is in response to comments from other people who can see the remarks and who can respond if they wish.

[52000]

Mar 16, 2013 16:24:56 GMT @eastlondon92 said:

Mar 16, 2013 16:11:50 GMT @mredd said:

I agree with you, with the caveat that they should probably also have tip-up seats to stop the reduction in lower-deck seating, as otherwise the generally sparse lower deck seating would be even more sparse and that's a problem for elderly/mobility issues.

Before they got the HTLs got refurbished they all had tip up seats four on both sides. However, I do agree that most buses should have a layout as the HTLs as it creates more room for "Buggy Users" to wonder about plus less arguments would prob won't happen. But then again you do get some pax's out there who is just me, me, me.

Yes, I thought this was a great idea, but now the wheelchair spaces mostly seem to getting smaller and smaller. Buses out of London seem to have enough space for 1 wheelchair + 2 buggies. Worked better IMO.
www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/5897240883/ Something like this?