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Post by COBO on Apr 9, 2013 13:44:54 GMT
This is very sad new, goodbye First London they were a very good company, it's sad to see them go. Well done to Metroline on there gain. How is Metroline allowed to monopolise North west London?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 13:48:03 GMT
How all this will effect tender bids can be examined with who wins the awards for the following routes....
7,N7,228,272,440,E1,E3 and E10.
I would hope that existing companies like RATP dev and Abellio in West London will shore up their defences and try and grab some routes off this new conglomerate before they have a chance to settle in.
It is not good for staff, First have shown complete contempt by announcing this to the stock Market before their employees.
I wish Tower Transit well, however time will tell as to whether a family run business in Australia will cope with their new purchase in London. At least it is not some holding company like Macquiries .
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Post by COBO on Apr 9, 2013 13:49:06 GMT
From what I can remember, First, like Arriva, rarely lease vehicles (the Artics seem to be the only exception) so that shouldn't be a problem. I'm very dismayed by the news, not just for the staff, but as already mentioned, North West London is virtually Metroline run now. Bar the WSH'S and the WNH's I don't anything in First current fleet is leased.
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Post by COBO on Apr 9, 2013 13:51:46 GMT
How all this will effect tender bids can be examined with who wins the awards for the following routes.... 7,N7,228,272,440,E1,E3 and E10. I would hope that existing companies like RATP dev and Abellio in West London will shore up their defences and try and grab some routes off this new conglomerate before they have a chance to settle in. It is not good for staff, First have shown complete contempt by announcing this to the stock Market before their employees. I wish Tower Transit well, however time will tell as to whether a family run business in Australia will cope with their new purchase in London. At least it is not some holding company like Macquiries . Um how do you know that First didn't tell there staff before announcing this to the Stock Market?
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Post by 52000 on Apr 9, 2013 13:51:56 GMT
First London in my opinion were actually good. I only called them Worst or Last when someone mentions Worst Capital Connect ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 13:55:26 GMT
How all this will effect tender bids can be examined with who wins the awards for the following routes.... 7,N7,228,272,440,E1,E3 and E10. I would hope that existing companies like RATP dev and Abellio in West London will shore up their defences and try and grab some routes off this new conglomerate before they have a chance to settle in. It is not good for staff, First have shown complete contempt by announcing this to the stock Market before their employees. I wish Tower Transit well, however time will tell as to whether a family run business in Australia will cope with their new purchase in London. At least it is not some holding company like Macquiries . Um how do you know that First didn't tell there staff before announcing this to the Stock Market? It is a legal requriement to announce it to the Stock Exchange before staff - although a staff notice is normally released soon afterwards - normally minutes - so no contempt shown, just obeying the law
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Post by su31 on Apr 9, 2013 13:55:57 GMT
I disagree. Why should fleet numbering systems be made to suit Enthusiasts? It's the organisations choice to give what ever fleet number to whatever bus they want IMO. The organisations have their own systems to suit themselves. When it comes to numbered systems. It comes to just working it out tbh. Regarding Metrobus they just fling anything anywhere, but I understand their numbering system. Stagecoach is not difficult and Neither is Abellio. I see what you are saying, of course nothing should be done to suit enthusiasts. I just think that it would be simpler all round and also for TfL. Its only my personal preference, Im not saying it actually should happen Back in the day... London Transport / London Buses used to have standardised fleet numbers irrespective of which 'district' operated the buses. It's only national operators such as Stagecoach and latterly National Express (Abellio adopted their pattern) that started national codes, and First for their confusing re-classification of vehicles. It used to be easy to follow fleet numbers with the likes of LS, M, etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 13:58:31 GMT
Well it's not fair for a new operator to take over the First operations of East London and then few months time they lost 4 routes. So if First handed the routes over early it will make it easy for the new company to arrange the buses...etc But it will take a long wile to them to tender more routes for their own garage.So when Metroline gets 9H, does it mean Metroline can run their own preserved Routemaster on 9H? At any point today, have you thought about the people this is going to affect? Fact of life I'm afraid, presumably everyone keeps their job at the same rate and probably at the same location so whats the problem
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Post by wh541 on Apr 9, 2013 14:11:27 GMT
At any point today, have you thought about the people this is going to affect? Fact of life I'm afraid, presumably everyone keeps their job at the same rate and probably at the same location so whats the problem Indeed as I thought it is not like tender losses.
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Post by cc2005 on Apr 9, 2013 14:22:22 GMT
I see what you are saying, of course nothing should be done to suit enthusiasts. I just think that it would be simpler all round and also for TfL. Its only my personal preference, Im not saying it actually should happen Back in the day... London Transport / London Buses used to have standardised fleet numbers irrespective of which 'district' operated the buses. It's only national operators such as Stagecoach and latterly National Express (Abellio adopted their pattern) that started national codes, and First for their confusing re-classification of vehicles. It used to be easy to follow fleet numbers with the likes of LS, M, etc etc The LT's will at least bring standard class codes to one type of bus, regardless of operator The KMB fleetnumbering system is pretty chaotic too!: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Motor_Bus_fleet_numbering
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Post by smiler52 on Apr 9, 2013 14:27:18 GMT
this sad I am shocked not sure what it will mean for first bus they seem to be selling everything off
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Post by Jack on Apr 9, 2013 14:29:40 GMT
Fact of life I'm afraid, presumably everyone keeps their job at the same rate and probably at the same location so whats the problem Indeed as I thought it is not like tender losses. FreeBBC was suggesting First should hand over all the routes they lost to Stagecoach in the recent tenders at DM now, so yes it would effect the staff
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Post by wh541 on Apr 9, 2013 14:38:44 GMT
Indeed as I thought it is not like tender losses. FreeBBC was suggesting First should hand over all the routes they lost to Stagecoach in the recent tenders at DM now, so yes it would effect the staff But it wont because as you mentioned earlier I believe and I have said DM is not in the sale and there is no need to hand over the routes early! FreeBBC has got it wrong.
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Post by M1199 on Apr 9, 2013 14:48:31 GMT
This is an absolute disaster! This is gonna be heart breaking seeing a Metroline banner over 'my' beloved Uxbridge Garage. Of all the companies to sell out to, it had to be to such a crap one as Metroline.
In all seriousness, I hope all staffs involved in this sale keep their jobs and that the poor standards (in my opinion) of some Metrolines drivers and vehicle maintenance don't creep into the First fleet and garages.
I'm already speculating but I guess could mean the end for the DMC's, to aid fleet standardisation. There's only 21 of these, all of which will be 10yrs old this year(gosh!, time just flies by!) all based at UX, I wonder if there's enough spare MM's knocking around or possibly with a partial DD conversion to the 90 (as david21 mentioned) to be able to oust these.
One good thing with this takeover will hopefully be the addition of garage codes and smaller class codes to the First vehicles!
Overall though, it's a sad day to see the breakup of Centrewest.
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Post by Jack on Apr 9, 2013 15:16:19 GMT
FreeBBC was suggesting First should hand over all the routes they lost to Stagecoach in the recent tenders at DM now, so yes it would effect the staff But it wont because as you mentioned earlier I believe and I have said DM is not in the sale and there is no need to hand over the routes early! FreeBBC has got it wrong. Yes I know that....That is not the point I was making! I was referring to FreeBBC's comment about the routes moving early to stagecoach, thus affecting the staff at DM hence I quoted that post in the first place!
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