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Post by wh541 on Apr 10, 2013 20:09:42 GMT
Hard to believe but it is now 10 years since the first withdrawal of Routemasters from normal service.
At the time I thought journeys would slow down but actually buses managed fairly well in OPO mode.
Did you attend any of the running days? (I remember the 15 one well ;D) do you miss Routemasters on normal TFL service?
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Post by M1104 on Apr 11, 2013 1:33:02 GMT
It has to be more than 10 years because I remember the 35, 37, 77 and 155 having their RM/RMLs withdrawn back in 1986. The 93 and 118 were done even earlier than that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 2:23:14 GMT
Well presently the open platform routes return in form of a Hybrid Bus...
10 year is not a big gap.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 11, 2013 6:44:22 GMT
Well presently the sometimes open platform routes return in form of a Hybrid Bus... 10 year is not a big gap. FTFY ;D |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 11, 2013 8:14:45 GMT
It has to be more than 10 years because I remember the 35, 37, 77 and 155 having their RM/RMLs withdrawn back in 1986. The 93 and 118 were done even earlier than that. sorry I should have been clearer - I mean the last batch of routes that remained in the 90s /00s. |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 11, 2013 9:09:50 GMT
It has to be more than 10 years because I remember the 35, 37, 77 and 155 having their RM/RMLs withdrawn back in 1986. The 93 and 118 were done even earlier than that. sorry I should have been clearer - I mean the last batch of routes that remained in the 90s /00s. Ah, ok  |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Apr 11, 2013 11:17:17 GMT
I remember catching the Stagecoach provincial liveried one on the 73 (can't remember fleet number)  |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2013 12:23:07 GMT
I saw the 159 running day from my own house but was too ill to go out and see it. I watched the crossover from RM's to VLA's.
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Post by RM5chris on Apr 11, 2013 13:42:41 GMT
I think the start of the replacement of the RMs was actually with the conversion to OPO of the 139 in 1998 - therefore it has been 15 years since the first withdrawl of the then (as the last withdrawls before this were in 1988-89 and early 1990s periods) Routemaster fleet!
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 11, 2013 13:56:45 GMT
I think the 15 went full opo on the 31/03/03 the last 10 years has indeed gone very quick !! Was sad to see them go .
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Post by westhamgeezer on Apr 11, 2013 14:10:20 GMT
Hard to believe but it is now 10 years since the first withdrawal of Routemasters from normal service. At the time I thought journeys would slow down but actually buses managed fairly well in OPO mode. Did you attend any of the running days? (I remember the 15 one well ;D) do you miss Routemasters on normal TFL service? Oyster Cards have made all the difference to boarding times, without them journeys would be much slower. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 14:12:16 GMT
I think the 15 went full opo on the 31/03/03 the last 10 years has indeed gone very quick !! Was sad to see them go . i blame it all on Red Ken. he is open platformphobia. At leas there are handful running on the 9 and 15. on 2012 his election promise is to viciously stop the roll out of the open platform NBfL's. I am glad he lost. Whats the alternative use of getting out of the bus between stops which is to press the emergency open button. This is the infamous quote from ken "Only some ghastly dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster." and yes he is barely one himself. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2013 14:21:05 GMT
I think the 15 went full opo on the 31/03/03 the last 10 years has indeed gone very quick !! Was sad to see them go . i blame it all on Red Ken. he is open platformphobia. At leas there are handful running on the 9 and 15. on 2012 his election promise is to viciously stop the roll out of the open platform NBfL's. I am glad he lost. Whats the alternative use of getting out of the bus between stops which is to press the emergency open button. This is the infamous quote from ken "Only some ghastly dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the Routemaster." and yes he is barely one himself. His main 2012 election promise was actually to cut fares by 7%, the stopping of the roll out of LT's was a side policy. Also, you know it's dangerous to disembark from a bus between stops. We've all done it but that don't stop it from being less dangerous. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 11, 2013 15:42:56 GMT
Hard to believe but it is now 10 years since the first withdrawal of Routemasters from normal service. At the time I thought journeys would slow down but actually buses managed fairly well in OPO mode. Did you attend any of the running days? (I remember the 15 one well ;D) do you miss Routemasters on normal TFL service? Oyster Cards have made all the difference to boarding times, without them journeys would be much slower. Sorry for pedant mode but really it is a combination of - free travel for kids (no child fares) - flat fares - PAYG being much cheaper than cash - Oyster cards - cashless zone in the central area - most buses being dual doored which have worked together to drive down cash fares paid on buses thus minimising dwell times. The irony, as explained in Buses Magazine recently, is that loads of towns and cities say they want Oyster cards on their buses. They completely miss the point that very few places have flat fare systems that could map across to the London concept. Also dwell times are long outside of London because many buses are single doored. I am still staggered, when I use buses outside of London, how long it takes to load buses up at busy stops. Having seen how ridiculously long the txn time is for ITSO concessionary cards I really doubt that ITSO spec cards will offer big dwell time improvements on buses outside London. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 17:36:52 GMT
Sorry for pedant mode but really it is a combination of - free travel for kids (no child fares) - flat fares - PAYG being much cheaper than cash - Oyster cards - cashless zone in the central area - most buses being dual doored which have worked together to drive down cash fares paid on buses thus minimising dwell times. The irony, as explained in Buses Magazine recently, is that loads of towns and cities say they want Oyster cards on their buses. They completely miss the point that very few places have flat fare systems that could map across to the London concept. Also dwell times are long outside of London because many buses are single doored. I am still staggered, when I use buses outside of London, how long it takes to load buses up at busy stops. Having seen how ridiculously long the txn time is for ITSO concessionary cards I really doubt that ITSO spec cards will offer big dwell time improvements on buses outside London. I have always wondered why provincial ops, particularly in cities, have stuck with the one door arrangement. Surely London has proved how efficient it can be... You have to pass the driver to board and exit ... less chance of fare dodging or over-riding your fare |
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