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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 24, 2021 22:31:23 GMT
LondonNorthern see this post. As the 5 originally had the low height tridents *edit I just realised. This was an additional order for the 5 as it was replacing the remaining titans*** Why did the 5 originally have Low height Tridents or do you mean low floor? The only low height buses I think TFL have ordered are some Omnidekkas? Regarding the 145, it would be unimaginable nowadays to see the 145 with single deckers. The S/T reg TA's were 10.5m long and 13'10" high. Stagecoach ordered this spec as it was easier to shift the buses on resale to provincial operations. Although London Transport later TfL put an end to this practice and Stagecoach had to order standard London Spec. So no more low height, no more curved staircase etc. Arriva also had the S/T reg DLA's at the low height of 13'10"
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 24, 2021 22:33:09 GMT
Why did the 5 originally have Low height Tridents or do you mean low floor? The only low height buses I think TFL have ordered are some Omnidekkas? Regarding the 145, it would be unimaginable nowadays to see the 145 with single deckers. The S/T reg TA's were 10.5m long and 13'10" high. Stagecoach ordered this spec as it was easier to shift the buses on resale to provincial operations. Although London Transport later TfL put an end to this practice and Stagecoach had to order standard London Spec. So no more low height, no more curved staircase etc. Arriva also had the S/T reg DLA's at the low height of 13'10" Is this why they were shifted out of London so quickly (I believe around 2005?)
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Post by vjaska on Aug 24, 2021 23:07:44 GMT
The S/T reg TA's were 10.5m long and 13'10" high. Stagecoach ordered this spec as it was easier to shift the buses on resale to provincial operations. Although London Transport later TfL put an end to this practice and Stagecoach had to order standard London Spec. So no more low height, no more curved staircase etc. Arriva also had the S/T reg DLA's at the low height of 13'10" Is this why they were shifted out of London so quickly (I believe around 2005?) I believe they were shifted much earlier than 2005, possibly around 2003 but can't say for certain, sure someone will know. The last (ignoring TA1/17001) were moved on around roughly 2009 as I remember grabbing a couple of rides on the remaining T KPU ones in East London before they departed.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 24, 2021 23:30:21 GMT
Interesting I was convinced they were purchased for the 5 and upgrade of the 145 back to double decker. The 5 originally had the low level height tridents and the 145 was converted to double decker in 2003 using the 03 tridents. This occurred around the spring time. I remembered that period so well. The first day of the 145 going back to double decker was 4th June 2003 and the first bus was 17858, being brand new. The T reg Tridents from the 15B later 115 was later used to convert routes 104 and 238 back to double decker in 2003 when the new 115 contract gained euro3 Tridents.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 24, 2021 23:34:18 GMT
Is this why they were shifted out of London so quickly (I believe around 2005?) I believe they were shifted much earlier than 2005, possibly around 2003 but can't say for certain, sure someone will know. The last (ignoring TA1/17001) were moved on around roughly 2009 as I remember grabbing a couple of rides on the remaining T KPU ones in East London before they departed. The Leyton ones went quickly, after the influx of the 52, 03, 04 batches. Think two went to other garages for a short time.
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Post by snowman on Aug 25, 2021 4:53:10 GMT
Is this why they were shifted out of London so quickly (I believe around 2005?) I believe they were shifted much earlier than 2005, possibly around 2003 but can't say for certain, sure someone will know. The last (ignoring TA1/17001) were moved on around roughly 2009 as I remember grabbing a couple of rides on the remaining T KPU ones in East London before they departed. About 20 survived in London until 2009 I think they were mainly 1706x and 1709x the Omnicities then arrived and replaced them
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Post by redexpress on Aug 25, 2021 6:38:40 GMT
I believe they were shifted much earlier than 2005, possibly around 2003 but can't say for certain, sure someone will know. The last (ignoring TA1/17001) were moved on around roughly 2009 as I remember grabbing a couple of rides on the remaining T KPU ones in East London before they departed. The Leyton ones went quickly, after the influx of the 52, 03, 04 batches. Think two went to other garages for a short time. The 55 got new buses even earlier than that - remember it gained new 51-reg buses for that short-lived experiment with using conductors on doored buses. That would have released some S-reg TAs but I have no idea where they went.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 25, 2021 7:43:42 GMT
Stagecoach 15032 has arrived at Herne Bay and will be refurbished and converted to single door before entering service there with 7 more to follow.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 25, 2021 9:25:36 GMT
The Leyton ones went quickly, after the influx of the 52, 03, 04 batches. Think two went to other garages for a short time. The 55 got new buses even earlier than that - remember it gained new 51-reg buses for that short-lived experiment with using conductors on doored buses. That would have released some S-reg TAs but I have no idea where they went. The 55 got the sole Y reg and rest 51 of 400 series TA in 2001. These had replaced route 58's X reg TA's which went to [TB]. As Ken could not get more Routemaster's they done a trial on the 55 with crewed TA's. As it was a high profile trial, the plan then was to send the year old buses to [TB] and use fresh buses for the 55. The early TA's that were on the 55 were then indirectly allocated to the 58. After the 55 trial was deemed not much benefit on journey times. Think it was something like 4 minutes! It was abandoned. On tender renewal of the 48, 55, 56 to start in 2003. They got the euro3 52/03 reg TA. The Y/51 reg TA then got new blind sets to include all Leyton routes and were officially allocated to the 58.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 25, 2021 10:00:50 GMT
The 55 got new buses even earlier than that - remember it gained new 51-reg buses for that short-lived experiment with using conductors on doored buses. That would have released some S-reg TAs but I have no idea where they went. The 55 got the sole Y reg and rest 51 of 400 series TA in 2001. These had replaced route 58's X reg TA's which went to [TB]. As Ken could not get more Routemaster's they done a trial on the 55 with crewed TA's. As it was a high profile trial, the plan then was to send the year old buses to [TB] and use fresh buses for the 55. The early TA's that were on the 55 were then indirectly allocated to the 58. After the 55 trial was deemed not much benefit on journey times. Think it was something like 4 minutes! It was abandoned. On tender renewal of the 48, 55, 56 to start in 2003. They got the euro3 52/03 reg TA. The Y/51 reg TA then got new blind sets to include all Leyton routes and were officially allocated to the 58. God that seems so much drama in the 00s regarding TAs!
Regarding the 4 minutes number, wasn't that the amount of time it averaged for people to board than the routemaster?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 25, 2021 22:54:00 GMT
The 55 got the sole Y reg and rest 51 of 400 series TA in 2001. These had replaced route 58's X reg TA's which went to [TB]. As Ken could not get more Routemaster's they done a trial on the 55 with crewed TA's. As it was a high profile trial, the plan then was to send the year old buses to [TB] and use fresh buses for the 55. The early TA's that were on the 55 were then indirectly allocated to the 58. After the 55 trial was deemed not much benefit on journey times. Think it was something like 4 minutes! It was abandoned. On tender renewal of the 48, 55, 56 to start in 2003. They got the euro3 52/03 reg TA. The Y/51 reg TA then got new blind sets to include all Leyton routes and were officially allocated to the 58. God that seems so much drama in the 00s regarding TAs!
Regarding the 4 minutes number, wasn't that the amount of time it averaged for people to board than the routemaster?
From one end of route to the next was 2 mins. So 4 mins round trip. It did not help though that the Shoreditch 2 way conversion from one-way system was at the time the experiment was on.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 26, 2021 20:53:17 GMT
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 29, 2021 13:40:54 GMT
Saw WN35001 on the North Circular now with London Bus Group on a private service
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Post by M1104 on Sept 4, 2021 13:20:50 GMT
MCW Metrobus M1182 has been acquired by the Bromley Bus Preservation Group, the bus new to Norwood Garage. The bus is still in dual door format with only light interior conversions...nothing BBPG can't handle for restoration.
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Post by citymapper on Sept 4, 2021 17:07:53 GMT
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