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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:37:23 GMT
Look like I heard wrong as this was on LOTS this morning: On 28th May First announced that from 22nd June eleven routes at its Dagenham Depot would be transferred to Go-Ahead and thence operated from their Rainham Depot. Routes affected are 193, 368, 498 plus school routes 608, 646, 648, 652, 656, 667, 679 and 686. Relevant single-deck buses will transfer from First to Go-Ahead but Go-Ahead would use their own buses on the doubke-deck contracts. First retain four routes (165, 179, 252 and 365) at Dagenham although these will transfer to Stagecoach (who have their own new buses on order) in September and October after which Dagenham depot is expected to close. Well it means First London is going. Well that means Go Ahead needs to ditch the central London routes like Red Arrows in order to keep below the 25% limit. What will happen to the existing double deckers which First DM have? What will the DM depot will become next?
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Post by IanF on May 28, 2013 10:40:34 GMT
Look like I heard wrong as this was on LOTS this morning: On 28th May First announced that from 22nd June eleven routes at its Dagenham Depot would be transferred to Go-Ahead and thence operated from their Rainham Depot. Routes affected are 193, 368, 498 plus school routes 608, 646, 648, 652, 656, 667, 679 and 686. Relevant single-deck buses will transfer from First to Go-Ahead but Go-Ahead would use their own buses on the doubke-deck contracts. First retain four routes (165, 179, 252 and 365) at Dagenham although these will transfer to Stagecoach (who have their own new buses on order) in September and October after which Dagenham depot is expected to close. Well it means First London is going. Well that means Go Ahead needs to ditch the central London routes like Red Arrows in order to keep below the 25% limit. What will happen to the existing double deckers which First DM have? What will the DM depot will become next? Or not gal are close but not over the limit even with the new acquisitions. And dm will be probably sold off to the highest bidder it's a shame that first London is going but they are trying to get themselves out of debt so they needed to be a bit rash in decision making.
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Post by VPL630 on May 28, 2013 10:47:27 GMT
It's 24.88% but you have to minus a few routes from that so they are literally on the line
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Post by eggmiester on May 28, 2013 10:57:45 GMT
TFL can approve operators to go above the 25% if they so wish. At the end of the day TFL have had to approve this deal anyway as they are the contract issuer.
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2013 10:58:07 GMT
Look like I heard wrong as this was on LOTS this morning: On 28th May First announced that from 22nd June eleven routes at its Dagenham Depot would be transferred to Go-Ahead and thence operated from their Rainham Depot. Routes affected are 193, 368, 498 plus school routes 608, 646, 648, 652, 656, 667, 679 and 686. Relevant single-deck buses will transfer from First to Go-Ahead but Go-Ahead would use their own buses on the doubke-deck contracts. First retain four routes (165, 179, 252 and 365) at Dagenham although these will transfer to Stagecoach (who have their own new buses on order) in September and October after which Dagenham depot is expected to close. Well it means First London is going. Well that means Go Ahead needs to ditch the central London routes like Red Arrows in order to keep below the 25% limit. What will happen to the existing double deckers which First DM have? What will the DM depot will become next? No they don't need to ditch anything. TFL would not have allowed it if it exceeded 25%
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 11:00:26 GMT
It's 24.88% but you have to minus a few routes from that so they are literally on the line Using the current figure on londonbusroutes.net, I make it about 24.2%. Starting figure: 1811 (23.76%) Gain: 56 *491 (10 PVR) *327 (1 PVR) *434 (3 PVR) *DM routes (42 PVR) Lose: 20 *261 (11 PVR) *425 (9 PVR) 1811 + 36 = 1847 Grand total PVR: 7623 1847/7623 * 100 = 24.18% So it should even out around that. Dagenham 42 PVR figure was got from taking the 43 lost PVR to Stagecoach off the current total, though if you count each route individually you get the same result.
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2013 12:28:02 GMT
Look like I heard wrong as this was on LOTS this morning: On 28th May First announced that from 22nd June eleven routes at its Dagenham Depot would be transferred to Go-Ahead and thence operated from their Rainham Depot. Routes affected are 193, 368, 498 plus school routes 608, 646, 648, 652, 656, 667, 679 and 686. Relevant single-deck buses will transfer from First to Go-Ahead but Go-Ahead would use their own buses on the doubke-deck contracts. First retain four routes (165, 179, 252 and 365) at Dagenham although these will transfer to Stagecoach (who have their own new buses on order) in September and October after which Dagenham depot is expected to close. Can Rainham accommodate all these Routes? According to this the Maximum Capacity is 80, but I don't believe it as the current PVR is 90. If they cannot take all these routes we may well see the 20, 167 & W19 transferred to Northumberland Park. Can someone with the official knowledge reply please.
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Post by Late Again on May 28, 2013 12:41:36 GMT
Wow this puts the 368 back to Rainham for a third time. This really is a yo-yo route. How much did go ahead pay for the routes. Could stagecoach take over there new routes earlier.
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Post by VPL630 on May 28, 2013 12:49:46 GMT
Look like I heard wrong as this was on LOTS this morning: On 28th May First announced that from 22nd June eleven routes at its Dagenham Depot would be transferred to Go-Ahead and thence operated from their Rainham Depot. Routes affected are 193, 368, 498 plus school routes 608, 646, 648, 652, 656, 667, 679 and 686. Relevant single-deck buses will transfer from First to Go-Ahead but Go-Ahead would use their own buses on the doubke-deck contracts. First retain four routes (165, 179, 252 and 365) at Dagenham although these will transfer to Stagecoach (who have their own new buses on order) in September and October after which Dagenham depot is expected to close. Can Rainham accommodate all these Routes? According to this the Maximum Capacity is 80, but I don't believe it as the current PVR is 90. If they cannot take all these routes we may well see the 20, 167 & W19 transferred to Northumberland Park. Can someone with the official knowledge reply please. BE can take a load of buses as quite a few were stored there during the olympics
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2013 13:35:30 GMT
Can Rainham accommodate all these Routes? According to this the Maximum Capacity is 80, but I don't believe it as the current PVR is 90. If they cannot take all these routes we may well see the 20, 167 & W19 transferred to Northumberland Park. Can someone with the official knowledge reply please. BE can take a load of buses as quite a few were stored there during the olympics That's not the answer I'm looking for. I'm waiting for official information.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 14:22:16 GMT
The 20 is already scheduled to transfer to Northumberland park from the 22nd June. There's an official notice in the garage. As for the others its just speculation at garage level but the 167 and w19 could be going there as well and the 300 or 376 back to docklands. BE can take a load of buses as quite a few were stored there during the olympics That's not the answer I'm looking for. I'm waiting for official information.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 14:40:03 GMT
The excess PVNs & PDLs , will be sold.
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2013 14:40:18 GMT
The 20 is already scheduled to transfer to Northumberland park from the 22nd June. There's an official notice in the garage. As for the others its just speculation at garage level but the 167 and w19 could be going there as well and the 300 or 376 back to docklands. That's not the answer I'm looking for. I'm waiting for official information. Does docklands even have space to accommodate both Routes? Wasn't the 376 changed to Rainham as no space was left.
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Post by TA1 on May 28, 2013 14:48:16 GMT
The 20 is already scheduled to transfer to Northumberland park from the 22nd June. There's an official notice in the garage. As for the others its just speculation at garage level but the 167 and w19 could be going there as well and the 300 or 376 back to docklands. Does docklands even have space to accommodate both Routes? Wasn't the 376 changed to Rainham as no space was left. Possibly although, with the 425 leaving and assuming SI isn't at capacity then it's possible both routes could transfer. With the 20 transferring does NP have substantial space with the intake of the 327/491 and now the 20. I personally couldn't see the 167 at NP but I could see the W19 as the A406 would link both terminus.
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Post by eggmiester on May 28, 2013 14:52:04 GMT
The 20 is going to NP as Chazaroo said on the 22nd June, this was actually planned before the First DM Acquisitions were even to be discussed at board level.
There will be some more re-shuffles when the 425/N551 go later in the year.
The DM routes should fit into BE quite easily, BE's listed capacity is far lower than its actual capacity.
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