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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 9:59:35 GMT
I was on a 607 (Uxbridge-White City) which got stuck in Southall traffic, then again in West Ealing and again in Ealing Broadway. Even on dual carriageway stretches, the driver seemed to be hanging back with no apparent ambition to put his foot down.
If I was a 607 driver, I'd have felt embarrassed to be overtaken by a 427 (between Hillingdon Hill and Hayes End) and then by a 207 just past the Iron Bridge. Nothing wrong with the vehicle as it did begin speeding up as it approached the Adelaide Grove stop with a fairly clear run to Shepherd's Bush (Central Line) where I got off.
Very disappointing journey.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 18, 2013 12:10:20 GMT
Excessive running time - these days it's all about performance targets, even if it is at the expense of efficiency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 15:02:30 GMT
Strange behaviour by the driver................I've certainly enjoyed some spirited runs on the 607, normally a lot quicker than the 207 or 427
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Post by l1group on Jul 18, 2013 16:07:15 GMT
I know 607 to be not as quick, as I've been overtaken twice by the same 207 between White City and Acton OTH. But overall, it can be faster than the stoppers, and certain people use it as it can be a tad quicker. I only use the 607 when I can't be asked to get on a 427 and to avoid SNs tbh.
A proper express is X26 and X68 (Waterloo-West Norwood only), where they actually skip chunks of stops. X68 and 27 (Gunnersbury Stn) are the only bus routes afaik that pass a train station without stopping in London.
607 should remove a few stops. Bromyard Avenue, Adelaide Grove are two to start off. Hanwell Broadway, Park Rd Uxbridge be another one?
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Post by Jack on Jul 18, 2013 17:13:03 GMT
I know 607 to be not as quick, as I've been overtaken twice by the same 207 between White City and Acton OTH. But overall, it can be faster than the stoppers, and certain people use it as it can be a tad quicker. I only use the 607 when I can't be asked to get on a 427 and to avoid SNs tbh. A proper express is X26 and X68 (Waterloo-West Norwood only), where they actually skip chunks of stops. X68 and 27 (Gunnersbury Stn) are the only bus routes afaik that pass a train station without stopping in London. 607 should remove a few stops. Bromyard Avenue, Adelaide Grove are two to start off. Hanwell Broadway, Park Rd Uxbridge be another one? The 27 turns before the station entrance though  Hanwell Broadway would be a bad stop to cut IMHO |
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 18, 2013 17:38:38 GMT
I know 607 to be not as quick, as I've been overtaken twice by the same 207 between White City and Acton OTH. But overall, it can be faster than the stoppers, and certain people use it as it can be a tad quicker. I only use the 607 when I can't be asked to get on a 427 and to avoid SNs tbh. A proper express is X26 and X68 (Waterloo-West Norwood only), where they actually skip chunks of stops. X68 and 27 (Gunnersbury Stn) are the only bus routes afaik that pass a train station without stopping in London. 607 should remove a few stops. Bromyard Avenue, Adelaide Grove are two to start off. Hanwell Broadway, Park Rd Uxbridge be another one? The 607 is usually quicker only if you are travelling for several stops, for shorter distances of up to 3 stops other routes are usually quicker. All those stops you mentioned are well used and also bring the 607 service to more people (Park Road is pretty much alighting only), the least used is Hayes End but you might as well keep it as removing it won't make a significant distance to journey times. In the past I've done the following long distances on another route without a 607 overtaking (during the middle of the day): Uxbridge - Southall Police Station (607 would have taken 5 minutes longer because I'd missed previous bus at Uxbridge) Uxbridge - Hayes By-Pass (was getting off at Trinity Road but driver changeover took up valuable time and switching to the 207 didn't prevent it overtaking!) Southall Police Station - Acton Old Town Hall (607 had a 5 min longer wait and both it and 427 arrived together at Acton) These would usually be quicker on the 607. |
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Post by l1group on Jul 18, 2013 18:25:24 GMT
I know 607 to be not as quick, as I've been overtaken twice by the same 207 between White City and Acton OTH. But overall, it can be faster than the stoppers, and certain people use it as it can be a tad quicker. I only use the 607 when I can't be asked to get on a 427 and to avoid SNs tbh. A proper express is X26 and X68 (Waterloo-West Norwood only), where they actually skip chunks of stops. X68 and 27 (Gunnersbury Stn) are the only bus routes afaik that pass a train station without stopping in London. 607 should remove a few stops. Bromyard Avenue, Adelaide Grove are two to start off. Hanwell Broadway, Park Rd Uxbridge be another one? The 27 turns before the station entrance though Hanwell Broadway would be a bad stop to cut IMHO Hanwell Broadway does do same interchanges as West Ealing (E3/E8) and Ealing Hospital (195) though. But I don't know if that could be taken out, all stops have cases to retention. 27 can still serve Gunnersbury Station, there isn't a stop to stop at though. Just add a stop where the lay-bys are on the entrance to Chiswick Business Park or on Chiswick High Road before it turns on/off it. Bromyard Avenue is actually useful, I don't know why I said that, but Adelaide Grove isn't exactly helpful when only a few get off (mainly for White City Estate), and Shepherd's Bush Market Stn is nearby (same length walk usually), where White City Estate goers can get all their buses, including 607! It is also quicker usually from there to get another bus as it is usually quicker to use that than wait for a 607. |
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Post by l1group on Jul 18, 2013 18:29:34 GMT
The 607 is usually quicker only if you are travelling for several stops, for shorter distances of up to 3 stops other routes are usually quicker. All those stops you mentioned are well used and also bring the 607 service to more people (Park Road is pretty much alighting only), the least used is Hayes End but you might as well keep it as removing it won't make a significant distance to journey times. In the past I've done the following long distances on another route without a 607 overtaking (during the middle of the day): Uxbridge - Southall Police Station (607 would have taken 5 minutes longer because I'd missed previous bus at Uxbridge) Uxbridge - Hayes By-Pass (was getting off at Trinity Road but driver changeover took up valuable time and switching to the 207 didn't prevent it overtaking!) Southall Police Station - Acton Old Town Hall (607 had a 5 min longer wait and both it and 427 arrived together at Acton) These would usually be quicker on the 607. Southall does also mean 607 can't overtake other routes, and shorter distances are definitely quicker by other routes. Many times i've taken 195/207/427 Hanwell-Southall without 607 overtaking. On the other hand, I've also used 607 to overtake a 195. 207 overtaking 607 between White City and Acton OTH, which is a longer journey. 607 does get heavy loadings at Shepherd's Bush, allowing the slow routes to catch up, thus dwell time at certain stops are definitely increased on the 607. |
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Post by jay38a on Jul 18, 2013 18:44:48 GMT
All these express routes are only problems cause of their own success. Just look at the X26, useage has rocketed since it went every 30 mins and now its struggling to cope, it could really do with another increase to every 20 mins, but thats not going to happen any time soon. The one problem with both the X26 and 607 is that people use them for short distances, so for the X26, Kingston to New Malden where they could use the 131 or 213 which take 5 mins longer, if your going to Sutton then yes the X26 is considerably quicker then the 213 by around half hour.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2013 18:59:25 GMT
I've had many fast journeys on the 607 - without that route, people would have to change between Acton & Hayes By Pass.
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Post by M1199 on Jul 18, 2013 19:32:24 GMT
Like Vjaska and antman, I've experienced more fast journeys than I care to remember on the 607, I've even had drivers take to the outside lane to make up time! - these provided very spirited rides!! However I do feel now that it serves too many stops, the extension to White City is an annoying one, adding extra minutes to an already long journey IMO, I reckon Adelaide Grove, Acton Central Station, one of the stops in Ealing Bdy, Hayes End and Park Road stops should be ditched. The Park Rd stop is pointless, it serves the crap end of Uxbridge High St. Acton Central Stn - I've never seen for than about 5 people at a time get on/off here. Adelaide Grove for the same reason l1 group says and the others have a decent service from other routes. I remember for a time (don't know whether it was officially rerouted) but it was diverted up Park Road and then down Belmont Road to serve Uxbridge College, thankfully, this routing didn't last long.
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Post by eggmiester on Jul 18, 2013 23:06:24 GMT
thing is the 607 is low frequency so buses have to run within the 7 min window (up-to 2 mins early /up-to 5 mins late) to count as running.
so maybe the driver was running a bit early so was holding back to keep time, generally the case if theres sections with excessive running times.
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 18, 2013 23:35:03 GMT
thing is the 607 is low frequency so buses have to run within the 7 min window (up-to 2 mins early /up-to 5 mins late) to count as running. so maybe the driver was running a bit early so was holding back to keep time, generally the case if theres sections with excessive running times. It runs every 10 minutes these days, so certainly not low frequency! |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 19, 2013 0:51:58 GMT
Does anyone know why the 607 is (or was recently) on diversion in the Shepherd's Bush area? It wasn't serving Adelaide Grove, diverting via Shepherd's Bush Market instead. The poster on the bus stop said it was down to "communication problems," yet the 207 didn't have any issues running by the normal route?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 20:00:12 GMT
I think express routes are the way forward . Point to point suburban areas could do with some.
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