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Post by wirewiper on Sept 11, 2020 8:26:52 GMT
As the LT fleet is owned by TFL, I think TFL should decide which routes they are allocated to, rather than the operators. The 313 is a low-frequency, cross-border route, while LTs are likely more suitable for routes that are more central, higher frequency or along busy corridors. A lot of operators/garages have a number of spare LTs which have not been reallocated, usually as a result of PVR cuts, though some of the initial routes to convert were given additional spares. Some of these could instead move to different garages or operators as necessary, e.g. to fully convert the 176. Although the LTs released from the 38 may fit the 313's allocation, more will be released from the 73 cut - those from the 38/73 alongside various spares across operators could be combined to convert more appropriate route(s) to LTs. The 313 is up for tender soon, so Arriva's decision to introduce LTs might be linked to this. Though this does have the possibility of LTs being introduced to HCT, Sullivan or Uno. Note that NP is not far from the 313, and already has LTs, so might not be that safe with Arriva in this case. Also, will the 313D working use an LT as well, or remain with a 61reg T? The 313D might not be needed if converted to DD. It is unlikely the 313D journeys will be withdrawn, as they are extended to Dame Alice Owen School in Potters Bar. And in current conditions they can effectively operate as student-only extras.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 8:37:02 GMT
As the LT fleet is owned by TFL, I think TFL should decide which routes they are allocated to, rather than the operators. The 313 is a low-frequency, cross-border route, while LTs are likely more suitable for routes that are more central, higher frequency or along busy corridors. A lot of operators/garages have a number of spare LTs which have not been reallocated, usually as a result of PVR cuts, though some of the initial routes to convert were given additional spares. Some of these could instead move to different garages or operators as necessary, e.g. to fully convert the 176. Although the LTs released from the 38 may fit the 313's allocation, more will be released from the 73 cut - those from the 38/73 alongside various spares across operators could be combined to convert more appropriate route(s) to LTs. The 313 is up for tender soon, so Arriva's decision to introduce LTs might be linked to this. Though this does have the possibility of LTs being introduced to HCT, Sullivan or Uno. Note that NP is not far from the 313, and already has LTs, so might not be that safe with Arriva in this case. Also, will the 313D working use an LT as well, or remain with a 61reg T? This is something I have often thought about, obviously TfL must be aware of the surplus LTs at various garages? Surely they should be made use of? Seems madness £300k buses not being used to the full potential.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 11, 2020 10:21:06 GMT
As the LT fleet is owned by TFL, I think TFL should decide which routes they are allocated to, rather than the operators. The 313 is a low-frequency, cross-border route, while LTs are likely more suitable for routes that are more central, higher frequency or along busy corridors. A lot of operators/garages have a number of spare LTs which have not been reallocated, usually as a result of PVR cuts, though some of the initial routes to convert were given additional spares. Some of these could instead move to different garages or operators as necessary, e.g. to fully convert the 176. Although the LTs released from the 38 may fit the 313's allocation, more will be released from the 73 cut - those from the 38/73 alongside various spares across operators could be combined to convert more appropriate route(s) to LTs. The 313 is up for tender soon, so Arriva's decision to introduce LTs might be linked to this. Though this does have the possibility of LTs being introduced to HCT, Sullivan or Uno. Note that NP is not far from the 313, and already has LTs, so might not be that safe with Arriva in this case. Also, will the 313D working use an LT as well, or remain with a 61reg T? This is something I have often thought about, obviously TfL must be aware of the surplus LTs at various garages? Surely they should be made use of? Seems madness £300k buses not being used to the full potential. If all existing LT routes only had the required allocations, there would already be enough to fully convert the 176 to LTs - and about another 18 surplus LTs, plus those released from the 38/73 cuts. Certainly enough to complete the 176 and convert new more appropriate route(s) with a higher PVR (rather than the 313) - e.g. 205, 139 etc.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 11, 2020 12:42:49 GMT
I would choice 238 for LTz it’s busy barking to Stratford .PVR Around 14
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 13:16:33 GMT
I would choice 238 for LTz it’s busy barking to Stratford .PVR Around 14 Why would it being busy make it suitable for LTs? The 3 door benefit has been lost now passengers board via the front door.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 11, 2020 14:04:26 GMT
238 Do get busy from Stratford due rush hour
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 14:12:03 GMT
238 Do get busy from Stratford due rush hour Yes I know but as I said a LT is no different to a standard double decker.
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Post by abz91 on Sept 11, 2020 14:14:11 GMT
Ok no problem I agree with that
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Post by vjaska on Sept 11, 2020 16:03:08 GMT
238 Do get busy from Stratford due rush hour Yes I know but as I said a LT is no different to a standard double decker. It also has a lower overall capacity as well.
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Post by greg on Sept 11, 2020 16:56:15 GMT
This is something I have often thought about, obviously TfL must be aware of the surplus LTs at various garages? Surely they should be made use of? Seems madness £300k buses not being used to the full potential. If all existing LT routes only had the required allocations, there would already be enough to fully convert the 176 to LTs - and about another 18 surplus LTs, plus those released from the 38/73 cuts. Certainly enough to complete the 176 and convert new more appropriate route(s) with a higher PVR (rather than the 313) - e.g. 205, 139 etc. Not the 205. I can agree with the 139 though.
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Post by rift on Sept 11, 2020 17:00:17 GMT
As the LT fleet is owned by TFL, I think TFL should decide which routes they are allocated to, rather than the operators. The 313 is a low-frequency, cross-border route, while LTs are likely more suitable for routes that are more central, higher frequency or along busy corridors. A lot of operators/garages have a number of spare LTs which have not been reallocated, usually as a result of PVR cuts, though some of the initial routes to convert were given additional spares. Some of these could instead move to different garages or operators as necessary, e.g. to fully convert the 176. Although the LTs released from the 38 may fit the 313's allocation, more will be released from the 73 cut - those from the 38/73 alongside various spares across operators could be combined to convert more appropriate route(s) to LTs. The 313 is up for tender soon, so Arriva's decision to introduce LTs might be linked to this. Though this does have the possibility of LTs being introduced to HCT, Sullivan or Uno. Note that NP is not far from the 313, and already has LTs, so might not be that safe with Arriva in this case. Also, will the 313D working use an LT as well, or remain with a 61reg T? This is something I have often thought about, obviously TfL must be aware of the surplus LTs at various garages? Surely they should be made use of? Seems madness £300k buses not being used to the full potential. Could these surplus LT’s be used for the school extras as well? Seems pretty wasteful that there are unused LT’s that could be used on other routes.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 11, 2020 17:51:27 GMT
This is something I have often thought about, obviously TfL must be aware of the surplus LTs at various garages? Surely they should be made use of? Seems madness £300k buses not being used to the full potential. Could these surplus LT’s be used for the school extras as well? Seems pretty wasteful that there are unused LT’s that could be used on other routes. Maybe they are being held back for when a refurbishment programme starts. The first production examples are nearing seven years in continuous service. And as for being "£300k buses", they may have cost that new but the older ones are now considerably depreciated.
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Post by LJ17THF on Sept 11, 2020 19:59:05 GMT
This is something I have often thought about, obviously TfL must be aware of the surplus LTs at various garages? Surely they should be made use of? Seems madness £300k buses not being used to the full potential. Could these surplus LT’s be used for the school extras as well? Seems pretty wasteful that there are unused LT’s that could be used on other routes. I mean, if they fit, they sure would, but I don't think they will put LT's on school routes with things like route testing and all that which may not be a good use of money. However, putting those LT's on routes that can definitely take it (109, 337, 468, 476, generally straight line routes or routes with not many tight turns), and then putting the spare buses like that on school routes may be a better idea.
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Post by greg on Sept 12, 2020 22:32:58 GMT
Which route has had LTs for the shortest period? Things like this will be interesting in the future as they are getting withdrawn soon.
It will be the 313 from October if it stays temporary, or in that case currently the 48 because it no longer exists. And then the 10 and 88.
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 29, 2020 18:03:12 GMT
If there’s just a few spare LT’s laying around, I guess some 5 and 115s could use a few, not all, only in if necessary.
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