Post by snowman on Nov 6, 2013 12:13:19 GMT
Could Stagecoach’s 10196 be London’s last diesel (non-hybrid) double decker ? Any thoughts
Whilst single decks continue to be pure diesel (they do more miles per gallon) it is looking like the majority (possibly all) double decks going forward will be hybrid.
Possible other candidates to 10196 include :
1) The 5 Volvo Wrightbus Gemini 3 (one is already with Go-Ahead, one is for Metroline, one for Arriva ?, one for Lothian and one unknown), dates into service aren’t known and it isn’t clear if all these demonstrator-prototypes are pure diesel or some will be hybrid.
2) Two additional buses for Go-Ahead route 200 early 2014 (type unknown), but could be some of above demonstrators, or 2 extra hybrids route swapped with 2 recent diesels
3) London United need approx. 29 deckers for E3 (but new buses not confirmed)
4) Abellio, the much delayed approx. 13 buses for C3 new contract few weeks ago
5) A tender result that hasn’t been announced yet
What is known, is TfL are planning to have 1700 hybrids by 2016 (including the 600 NB4Ls), they have also declared 200 per year 2014-2016 on new contracts plus additional ones if there are any further Green bus funds. Air quality issues mean the mayor’s office (and thus TfL) need to demonstrate they are tackling the problem to minimise pollution fines.
The contract extensions announced earlier this week mean there are not that many routes out to tender in next few months for contract start dates upto March 2015. The 200 new hybrids per year will easily fill majority of remaining decker routes out to tender (as at least one route is likely to be NB4L)
Summary of latest for each Operator :
Stagecoach : About 105 hybrids needed for tender wins in 2014
Arriva : recently introduced more HVs (some due Dec), no DWs or Ts on order
London Sovereign : Most recent type Volvo Gemini hybrids
London United last ADEs in 2012, most recent type ADHs
Metroline. Hybrids needed for 7, 390 conversion and loss of routes at G allows cascade
Go-Ahead : depends upon NB4L conversion to cascade last remaining old PVLs
Time will tell but personally I think there are plenty of awards that will see existing diesel buses and the few with new buses will be hybrid. I think Operators need to look at whole life including use into 2020s and thus will no longer see non hybrids as economic.
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Whilst single decks continue to be pure diesel (they do more miles per gallon) it is looking like the majority (possibly all) double decks going forward will be hybrid.
Possible other candidates to 10196 include :
1) The 5 Volvo Wrightbus Gemini 3 (one is already with Go-Ahead, one is for Metroline, one for Arriva ?, one for Lothian and one unknown), dates into service aren’t known and it isn’t clear if all these demonstrator-prototypes are pure diesel or some will be hybrid.
2) Two additional buses for Go-Ahead route 200 early 2014 (type unknown), but could be some of above demonstrators, or 2 extra hybrids route swapped with 2 recent diesels
3) London United need approx. 29 deckers for E3 (but new buses not confirmed)
4) Abellio, the much delayed approx. 13 buses for C3 new contract few weeks ago
5) A tender result that hasn’t been announced yet
What is known, is TfL are planning to have 1700 hybrids by 2016 (including the 600 NB4Ls), they have also declared 200 per year 2014-2016 on new contracts plus additional ones if there are any further Green bus funds. Air quality issues mean the mayor’s office (and thus TfL) need to demonstrate they are tackling the problem to minimise pollution fines.
The contract extensions announced earlier this week mean there are not that many routes out to tender in next few months for contract start dates upto March 2015. The 200 new hybrids per year will easily fill majority of remaining decker routes out to tender (as at least one route is likely to be NB4L)
Summary of latest for each Operator :
Stagecoach : About 105 hybrids needed for tender wins in 2014
Arriva : recently introduced more HVs (some due Dec), no DWs or Ts on order
London Sovereign : Most recent type Volvo Gemini hybrids
London United last ADEs in 2012, most recent type ADHs
Metroline. Hybrids needed for 7, 390 conversion and loss of routes at G allows cascade
Go-Ahead : depends upon NB4L conversion to cascade last remaining old PVLs
Time will tell but personally I think there are plenty of awards that will see existing diesel buses and the few with new buses will be hybrid. I think Operators need to look at whole life including use into 2020s and thus will no longer see non hybrids as economic.
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