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Post by DT 11 on Dec 17, 2013 9:05:40 GMT
When growing up in School I found buses were not so busy on the 284, but now I have noticed that far more school children are using buses in the mornings and overcrowding is occurring. Even though the route has had quite a few frequency increases it is still very busy and the reliability of the service has improved over the years with more and more people using it.
AM Peaks the route is normally completely overcrowded with School children along the full route with the busiest section being Grove Park - Catford in both directions. I personally think a service 684 with double Deckers from Grove Park - Catford AM only in both directions would be very well used and help reduce the overcrowding on the route and assist the 124 & 181 which suffer overcrowding issues because the 284 is sometimes impossible to board in the mornings. The way it could work is the DD leads and shadowed by the normal single decker workings.
The PM peaks the route is always rammed from 3:30pm onwards in both directions for the rest of the evening. It's a shame the route can't be double Decked due to a low bridge in Crofton Park.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 13:06:04 GMT
School routes are expensive to operate and in todays austere climate difficult to justify. It might be better to withdrawn free travel for kids which has just been a ridiculous extravagance from the start?
The route could be double decked if the Catford to Lewisham section was replaced by an extension of the 380 although stand space might be a problem.
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Post by Mokujin on Dec 17, 2013 15:26:26 GMT
School routes are expensive to operate and in todays austere climate difficult to justify. It might be better to withdrawn free travel for kids which has just been a ridiculous extravagance from the start? The route could be double decked if the Catford to Lewisham section was replaced by an extension of the 380 although stand space might be a problem. Why should Free Travel for Kids be withdrawn? That doesn't have anything to do with Overcrowding on the route. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 16:12:41 GMT
School routes are expensive to operate and in todays austere climate difficult to justify. It might be better to withdrawn free travel for kids which has just been a ridiculous extravagance from the start? The route could be double decked if the Catford to Lewisham section was replaced by an extension of the 380 although stand space might be a problem. Why should Free Travel for Kids be withdrawn? That doesn't have anything to do with Overcrowding on the route. Of course it does...............fairly obvious I would have thought?  |
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Post by Mokujin on Dec 17, 2013 16:36:44 GMT
Why should Free Travel for Kids be withdrawn? That doesn't have anything to do with Overcrowding on the route. Of course it does...............fairly obvious I would have thought? But even if Free Travel for Kids was withdrawn, that wouldn't stop Overcrowding on the route. Even if the kids had to pay, they will still use the route as it may be their local route or a route they use for school. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 16:52:02 GMT
Of course it does...............fairly obvious I would have thought? But even if Free Travel for Kids was withdrawn, that wouldn't stop Overcrowding on the route. Even if the kids had to pay, they will still use the route as it may be their local route or a route they use for school. Many of them would undoubtably be walking or cycling instead |
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Post by Mokujin on Dec 17, 2013 16:57:16 GMT
But even if Free Travel for Kids was withdrawn, that wouldn't stop Overcrowding on the route. Even if the kids had to pay, they will still use the route as it may be their local route or a route they use for school. Many of them would undoubtably be walking or cycling instead Yes, but not all teenagers would want to cycle or walk. For example, if their school was 5 miles away from where they live and their only local route was the 284 which they take to School, they obviously wouldn't walk 5 miles when there's a bus that goes straight there. |
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 17, 2013 17:03:29 GMT
School routes are expensive to operate and in todays austere climate difficult to justify. It might be better to withdrawn free travel for kids which has just been a ridiculous extravagance from the start? The route could be double decked if the Catford to Lewisham section was replaced by an extension of the 380 although stand space might be a problem. Sorry I don't agree I think that is rubbish. I'm in favour of free travel for people in Education, why should children as young as that be forced to pay for the bus. In my first year of School I had to pay for the bus and most if not all of my friends used buses to get to School. The free travel was introduced the next year. Nothing has changed apart from schools are expanding and more children are going to the same school. The route is still just as busy outside of school times, it's even busier after 5 as many people get it from Catford Stations after getting off the train The 380 needs no extension at all. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 17, 2013 17:47:42 GMT
School routes are expensive to operate and in todays austere climate difficult to justify. It might be better to withdrawn free travel for kids which has just been a ridiculous extravagance from the start? The route could be double decked if the Catford to Lewisham section was replaced by an extension of the 380 although stand space might be a problem. Sorry I don't agree I think that is rubbish. I'm in favour of free travel for people in Education, why should children as young as that be forced to pay for the bus. In my first year of School I had to pay for the bus and most if not all of my friends used buses to get to School. The free travel was introduced the next year. Nothing has changed apart from schools are expanding and more children are going to the same school. The route is still just as busy outside of school times, it's even busier after 5 as many people get it from Catford Stations after getting off the train The 380 needs no extension at all. [ musical interlude ] Oh no, here we go again! The identities change but the points of view and posting styles don't. Can't wait for the 181 and Lewisham to feature.     Oh yes it does Oh no it doesn't Oh yes it does Ad infinitum.  Well it is panto season I suppose. |
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Post by Mokujin on Dec 17, 2013 18:18:49 GMT
As it is teenagers that cause most damage to buses, spitting, mess and that, I think that adults should go free and teens should pay No disrespect, but this is a very silly comment. I agree that some teenagers cause mess to London Buses but why should they pay and Adults should go free? That means there would be more Adults taking free transport than Teenagers/Children and that would lose TFL a lot of money. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 17, 2013 18:37:54 GMT
Many of them would undoubtably be walking or cycling instead Yes, but not all teenagers would want to cycle or walk. For example, if their school was 5 miles away from where they live and their only local route was the 284 which they take to School, they obviously wouldn't walk 5 miles when there's a bus that goes straight there. My school was 3 miles way and took 40-45 minutes to walk - whilst I'm against free travel for kids and I had it myself whilst at college, I'd certainly wouldn't walk or cycle it so I'd still have to get the bus but I'd just have to pay instead. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 17, 2013 18:39:45 GMT
As it is teenagers that cause most damage to buses, spitting, mess and that, I think that adults should go free and teens should pay I agreed with you until you said adults should go free - that simply wouldn't work. Kids should pay IMO but so should adults. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 17, 2013 19:10:27 GMT
I had to pay to commute to school and used adult travelcards to go to college. So much has changed and while at the time I was against free travel for young people, it does help a lot towards overall education costs.
However I can sympathise with those who travel on single decker routes during the school run as they do quite frankly become school routes in all but name.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 19:34:56 GMT
School routes are expensive to operate and in todays austere climate difficult to justify. It might be better to withdrawn free travel for kids which has just been a ridiculous extravagance from the start? The route could be double decked if the Catford to Lewisham section was replaced by an extension of the 380 although stand space might be a problem. Sorry I don't agree I think that is rubbish. I'm in favour of free travel for people in Education, why should children as young as that be forced to pay for the bus. In my first year of School I had to pay for the bus and most if not all of my friends used buses to get to School. The free travel was introduced the next year. Nothing has changed apart from schools are expanding and more children are going to the same school. The route is still just as busy outside of school times, it's even busier after 5 as many people get it from Catford Stations after getting off the train The 380 needs no extension at all. Sorry but you're talking rubbish, how do you propose to pay for school buses if kids travel free? You said the 284 could do with double deckers, and I agree, but for that to be possible something else needs to cover the low bridge section, if not the 380 what do you suggest? |
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 17, 2013 20:03:12 GMT
Sorry I don't agree I think that is rubbish. I'm in favour of free travel for people in Education, why should children as young as that be forced to pay for the bus. In my first year of School I had to pay for the bus and most if not all of my friends used buses to get to School. The free travel was introduced the next year. Nothing has changed apart from schools are expanding and more children are going to the same school. The route is still just as busy outside of school times, it's even busier after 5 as many people get it from Catford Stations after getting off the train The 380 needs no extension at all. Sorry but you're talking rubbish, how do you propose to pay for school buses if kids travel free? You said the 284 could do with double deckers, and I agree, but for that to be possible something else needs to cover the low bridge section, if not the 380 what do you suggest? This will be my last reply towards you as I do not want to be responsible for creating arguments, especially on a thread which I created. Firstly I suggested above what could be done with the 284. Secondly, School routes are also used by normal commuters as well as School children as I have witnessed this, if there was a 684 service I strongly believe that it would be used by School Children and regular commuters simply because the 284 can be impossible to get on every morning and every evening. As I have stated above double decking the service is not possible which Is why I suggested the 684, which is effectively running extra double deckers on the 284 with another number. As far as I know, There are 60 odd School routes out there, how they are paid for I have no idea, I'd imagine the Councils partly fund them or even the Schools... Regarding the 380, that is already long enough. Adding the Hail & Ride Section from the 284 will spoil the service. Like I said above I will not comment towards you after this, send a PM or don't bother replying on this thread as I do not wish to be throwing back the same subject back and forth. |
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