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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2014 21:27:15 GMT
I am glad, tbh I am tired of one way systems They have their uses though - take the St. Matthews one way system in Brixton. Imagine if Effra Road became two way, the Lambeth Town Hall junction would be even worse than it is now as it would have to control 5 different roads of traffic which would lead to traffic building because of re-timed signals and thus, drivers waiting longer at the traffic lights. Before they made Brixton Hill two way, the original plan was to pedestrianise Effra Road and have all Effra Road traffic funnel along Brixton Hill & St. Matthews Road which would of gridlocked the place. I'm very sceptical in turning one way systems into two way roads - do they really work better? The only ones I think are good are when a contraflow bus lane is introduced to a one way road like on Stockwell Road in Brixton & Norwood Road at Tulse Hill. Just thought of a reverse example - Westow Hill, Westow Street & Church Road in Crystal Palace were all two way roads with the main junction by the bus station being in the shape of a roundabout. Traffic was regularly heavy on Church Road & Westow Hill (Westow Street was technically a side road at the time) partly due to being single lane roads with numerous parked vehicles but since the one way system was introduced, traffic isn't as bad and it's easier to funnel around the three roads.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2014 21:28:13 GMT
See a computer generated image on BBC London news showing a LT on route 73 You know its going to happen sooner or later, I just wonder where HVs from the route will end up Hopefully onto the 2 or an North London route running into Central London.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 4, 2014 18:34:01 GMT
Tbh they could end up anywhere, which is why I said I wonder. The last time someone mentioned they would be heading south
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Post by Volvo on Jun 4, 2014 18:35:17 GMT
I am glad, tbh I am tired of one way systems They have their uses though - take the St. Matthews one way system in Brixton. Imagine if Effra Road became two way, the Lambeth Town Hall junction would be even worse than it is now as it would have to control 5 different roads of traffic which would lead to traffic building because of re-timed signals and thus, drivers waiting longer at the traffic lights. Before they made Brixton Hill two way, the original plan was to pedestrianise Effra Road and have all Effra Road traffic funnel along Brixton Hill & St. Matthews Road which would of gridlocked the place. I'm very sceptical in turning one way systems into two way roads - do they really work better? The only ones I think are good are when a contraflow bus lane is introduced to a one way road like on Stockwell Road in Brixton & Norwood Road at Tulse Hill. Just thought of a reverse example - Westow Hill, Westow Street & Church Road in Crystal Palace were all two way roads with the main junction by the bus station being in the shape of a roundabout. Traffic was regularly heavy on Church Road & Westow Hill (Westow Street was technically a side road at the time) partly due to being single lane roads with numerous parked vehicles but since the one way system was introduced, traffic isn't as bad and it's easier to funnel around the three roads. Ok, not all one way systems
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Post by snoggle on Jun 10, 2014 14:27:55 GMT
Consultation now open to the public with more detail on how bus routes would be affected by the proposals.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 10, 2014 23:08:46 GMT
I would like to see it a two way
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jun 11, 2014 11:15:18 GMT
The consultation doesn't show where Route 176 will stand as if it does go to Earnshaw Street, the arrows indicate that buses would turn right into New Oxford Street.
It appears the old bus stop on Charing Cross Road opposite the old Borders shop will return, so I wonder if the 176 will return to Oxford Circus post 2018?
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Post by snoggle on Jun 11, 2014 11:51:40 GMT
The consultation doesn't show where Route 176 will stand as if it does go to Earnshaw Street, the arrows indicate that buses would turn right into New Oxford Street. It appears the old bus stop on Charing Cross Road opposite the old Borders shop will return, so I wonder if the 176 will return to Oxford Circus post 2018? My reading of it is that it will stand near the YMCA just off TCR and then loop round down Shaftesbury Avenue back to Charing Cross Road. If you look at the Traffic section there are plans for each junction showing which turns are permitted / banned. There is no left turn from New Oxford St to Charing Cross Road under the new plan meaning the 19 and 38 can't run this way. There is also no left turn from C X Road to Oxford St nor the reverse right hand turn from Oxford St to C X Road. This means it will be impossible to re-instate the 176's route meaning that any old statements about the curtailment being temporary are now shown to be untrue. Camden will not have developed its plans without a lot of involvement from TfL so we can only assume TfL support the plans for so many banned turns and bus cuts.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 23, 2015 13:42:16 GMT
Camden Council have approved the plans to remodel the roads in and around Tottenham Court Road. Construction starts this Summer - more roads meltdown due on top of everything else. Apparently the plans include a daytime ban on taxis using TCR itself. Needless to say that's not very popular with the cabbies.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 23, 2015 12:06:31 GMT
Changes to the final stop for Route 176 at TCR from Penge. It now terminates in Great Russell Street outside the YMCA instead of New Oxford Street.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 23, 2015 14:10:21 GMT
Changes to the final stop for Route 176 at TCR from Penge. It now terminates in Great Russell Street outside the YMCA instead of New Oxford Street. Ah right that explains the 176 I saw along Great Russell Street earlier, thought it was diverted or lost.
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Post by T.R. on Apr 26, 2016 9:30:58 GMT
Not sure if this is part of the project, but it appears that works are underway to restore two way operation of Charing Cross Road. This is looking south, at Denmark Street: Note the new (covered up) traffic signals.
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Post by T.R. on Apr 27, 2016 17:49:01 GMT
This here looks to be the new road alignment by Centerpoint - where the 'green' fence is. (Happy to be corrected.)
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Post by snowman on Apr 27, 2016 19:08:18 GMT
This here looks to be the new road alignment by Centerpoint - where the 'green' fence is. (Happy to be corrected.) Correct. The structural work on Eastern Ticket Hall is now now complete and the road is being converted to 2way. Some fitting out of the enlarged tube ticket hall is still taking place. This is a TfL project and is due to be finished in 2016 The adjacent site (Goslett yard box) is Crossrail and the vent tower is now finished. A surface building will cover this area. Structural work continues until 2017. There is also a third site, Western ticket hall which is another Crossrail site. Crossrail 2 will use a site north of TCR, about 100m north of the Eastern ticket Hall so won't affect any of the areas now being improved. Some short stubs of passageways that will lead to the crossrail 2 platforms are being constructed now and will be blocked off. These exist at lower end of crossrail escalators and in the new passageway extensions that parallel the Central line platforms towards the Eastern ticket hall. If Crossrail 2 happens the passageways will be constructed back towards these so the building doesn't affect the newly enlarged station. Crossrail2 website has detailed maps / plans in the consultation sections (and some rather less detailed factsheets).
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Post by snoggle on Apr 27, 2016 19:39:06 GMT
This here looks to be the new road alignment by Centerpoint - where the 'green' fence is. (Happy to be corrected.) Correct. The structural work on Eastern Ticket Hall is now now complete and the road is being converted to 2way. Some fitting out of the enlarged tube ticket hall is still taking place. This is a TfL project and is due to be finished in 2016 The adjacent site (Goslett yard box) is Crossrail and the vent tower is now finished. A surface building will cover this area. Structural work continues until 2017. There is also a third site, Eastern ticket hall which is another Crossrail site.
Crossrail 2 will use a site north of TCR, about 100m north of the Eastern ticket Hall so won't affect any of the areas now being improved. Some short stubs of passageways that will lead to the crossrail 2 platforms are being constructed now and will be blocked off. These exist at lower end of crossrail escalators and in the new passageway extensions that parallel the Central line platforms towards the Eastern ticket hall. If Crossrail 2 happens the passageways will be constructed back towards these so the building doesn't affect the newly enlarged station. Crossrail2 website has detailed maps / plans in the consultation sections (and some rather less detailed factsheets). Western surely? given it's west of the ticket hall that is now nearing completion and on the site of the old TCR station.
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