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Post by vjaska on Jul 10, 2014 22:36:40 GMT
TBH with all this environmental stuff I don't get too fixated into it. Reasons being They say petrol engines are harming the environment because of c02 levels, so buy a diesel as it emits less c02. That leads to another problem they say diesel is actually not good for the environment either infact worse apparently as they say it causes cancer and emits alot of nitrous oxide but from 2017 petrol engines will be better again. Buy a electric car? oh that has its environmental effects to starting right at the factory. TBH, you can't please environmentalists unless you cycle or walk everywhere or your car runs on hydrogen/wine/cheese - it's why I don't bother with them lool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 16:32:16 GMT
TBH with all this environmental stuff I don't get too fixated into it. Reasons being They say petrol engines are harming the environment because of c02 levels, so buy a diesel as it emits less c02. That leads to another problem they say diesel is actually not good for the environment either infact worse apparently as they say it causes cancer and emits alot of nitrous oxide but from 2017 petrol engines will be better again. Buy a electric car? oh that has its environmental effects to starting right at the factory. TBH, you can't please environmentalists unless you cycle or walk everywhere or your car runs on hydrogen/wine/cheese - it's why I don't bother with them lool. I'm an environmentalist (ish) and I've got no problem with diesel-electric hybrid vehicles or electric cars. There are two types of environmentalists. There's the reasonable ones like me and then there's the extreme ones.
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Post by rmz19 on Jul 14, 2014 23:21:31 GMT
I generally prefer Hybrids to Diesels, reasons being (Aside from environmental reasons) the sounds the E40Hs make and their smooth ride due to the absence of gear changes. The Gemini 3 B5LHs have a smoother ride too for this reason, as opposed to the Gemini 2 B5LH with their clunky gear changes. Don't like their sounds though. NB4Ls have a great ride and decent sound too (Being positive here ). However, I prefer the look of the Gemini Diesels to the asymmetrical Hybrids. If only they make Hybrid versions of some of my favourites: Scania Omnicity, Optare Olympus, Volvo MCV B9TL, and MAN MCV Evolution .
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Post by M1104 on Jul 15, 2014 0:33:32 GMT
I generally prefer Hybrids to Diesels, reasons being (Aside from environmental reasons) the sounds the E40Hs make and their smooth ride due to the absence of gear changes. The Gemini 3 B5LHs have a smoother ride too for this reason, as opposed to the Gemini 2 B5LH with their clunky gear changes. Don't like their sounds though. NB4Ls have a great ride and decent sound too (Being positive here ). However, I prefer the look of the Gemini Diesels to the asymmetrical Hybrids. If only they make Hybrid versions of some of my favourites: Scania Omnicity, Optare Olympus, Volvo MCV B9TL, and MAN MCV Evolution . The B5LH is more or less the hybrid version of the B9TL as it doesn't make sense having a 9L engine when its the motors that push the hybrids.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 15, 2014 22:40:29 GMT
I generally prefer Hybrids to Diesels, reasons being (Aside from environmental reasons) the sounds the E40Hs make and their smooth ride due to the absence of gear changes. The Gemini 3 B5LHs have a smoother ride too for this reason, as opposed to the Gemini 2 B5LH with their clunky gear changes. The gemini 3 B5LH still has the same 12 speed I-shift gearbox, probably just been modified.
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Post by VPL630 on Jul 15, 2014 22:52:22 GMT
I generally prefer Hybrids to Diesels, reasons being (Aside from environmental reasons) the sounds the E40Hs make and their smooth ride due to the absence of gear changes. The Gemini 3 B5LHs have a smoother ride too for this reason, as opposed to the Gemini 2 B5LH with their clunky gear changes. The gemini 3 B5LH still has the same 12 speed I-shift gearbox, probably just been modified. The Shift program has been modified, it just takes off in a higher gear from standstill, that's the only difference
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Post by rmz19 on Jul 16, 2014 10:22:15 GMT
I do wonder, why does the B5LH have a gear transmission and the E40H and NB4L don't?. I must say the latter Hybrids feel quicker and smoother for this reason, then again it may just be an illusion lol.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 16, 2014 11:58:34 GMT
I do wonder, why does the B5LH have a gear transmission and the E40H and NB4L don't?. I must say the latter Hybrids feel quicker and smoother for this reason, then again it may just be an illusion lol. If the E40H pulled away quicker it would ultimately be the faster of the two. In the time that the B5LH changes up the E40H has gone that much further ahead.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 16, 2014 16:21:22 GMT
TBH I don't find that to be the case after some experiences I have had on HVs + a willing driver. One night in January 2012 I was on HV35 down park Lane vs a EH on the 436, the EH was quicker off the mark but once the engine kicked in on the HV it was bye bye EH. B5LHs in electric mode only are only being powered by a 160bhp motor (pulling a 12+ tonne DD) and the engine at that time isn't suppplying any source of power to the motor unlike E400Hs where the engine is constantly charging the electric motor. Now due to the aggression in which this particular driver drove HV35 that night the engine cut in quicker than you find when drivers drive normally, at that stage the engine is running in tandem with the electric motor so thats 160bhp + 215bhp at which point the HV took the lead over the EH.
When you get a driver that hammers a B5LH then you will realise just how fast the things are, I tend to find that drivers of E400Hs tend to drive faster more of the time than drivers with B5LHs. I am glad I was out that particular night as I really got to see the performance of a B5LH that I hadn't seen before or since!
Have also had this down Gower street 73 vs 24 (when it had the hybrids) same story again, EH took off quicker but once engine kicks in on B5LH its gone.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 16, 2014 16:35:58 GMT
Could be that the driver of the EH wasn't really flooring it.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 16, 2014 16:45:19 GMT
He was flooring it, infact on both occassions. The driver on the EH on the 436 was trying to get ahead of us.
The person I was with at the time 1) I don't speeak to them anymore and 2) they are not part of this forum otherwise would be able to back me up on that. Believe me it was a straight duel from these sets of lights at the juncton of curzon street towards Marble Arch (for some reason the google maps link isn't working) to the next bus stop and as I said the EH took of quicker but B5LHs have more bhp than E400 Hybrids, in this case at running speed 310 (as under running the electric motor power on b5lhs drop from 160 to 95bhp) vs 280.
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Post by rmz19 on Jul 16, 2014 18:22:01 GMT
Very interesting, I do remember an occasion when I was on an N73 along Park Lane and it was really quick once it changed to third or fourth gear.
But I have reached higher speeds along Park Lane on the E40Hs when they appear on my regular 36, as well as the 16 and 436.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 16, 2014 23:02:42 GMT
Very interesting, I do remember an occasion when I was on an N73 along Park Lane and it was really quick once it changed to third or fourth gear. But I have reached higher speeds along Park Lane on the E40Hs when they appear on my regular 36, as well as the 16 and 436. Precisely what I mean about drivers tend to drive faster in E400Hs than drivers in B5LHs. So more often than not you'll get a fast journey on a E400H than you would on a B5LH. I can count on one hand the amount of slow journeys I have had on a E400H whilst I can't even use my hands and feet to count the slow journeys on a B5LH. Hence why in my signature journeys on HV35 & HV44 on January 12th 2012 from Hyde Park Corner to Walthamstow and back to Kings Cross was one I will never forget, it was almost like being on a theme park ride but more scary at times trust me on that!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2014 23:32:55 GMT
Very interesting, I do remember an occasion when I was on an N73 along Park Lane and it was really quick once it changed to third or fourth gear. But I have reached higher speeds along Park Lane on the E40Hs when they appear on my regular 36, as well as the 16 and 436. Precisely what I mean about drivers tend to drive faster in E400Hs than drivers in B5LHs. So more often than not you'll get a fast journey on a E400H than you would on a B5LH. I can count on one hand the amount of slow journeys I have had on a E400H whilst I can't even use my hands and feet to count the slow journeys on a B5LH. Hence why in my signature journeys on HV35 & HV44 on January 12th 2012 from Hyde Park Corner to Walthamstow and back to Kings Cross was one I will never forget, it was almost like being on a theme park ride but more scary at times trust me on that! If you want more slow journeys on a Enviro 400H, use the 3 lool.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 16, 2014 23:51:55 GMT
Precisely what I mean about drivers tend to drive faster in E400Hs than drivers in B5LHs. So more often than not you'll get a fast journey on a E400H than you would on a B5LH. I can count on one hand the amount of slow journeys I have had on a E400H whilst I can't even use my hands and feet to count the slow journeys on a B5LH. Hence why in my signature journeys on HV35 & HV44 on January 12th 2012 from Hyde Park Corner to Walthamstow and back to Kings Cross was one I will never forget, it was almost like being on a theme park ride but more scary at times trust me on that! If you want more slow journeys on a Enviro 400H, use the 3 lool. NO ta, I am very allergic to slow!!
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