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Post by eggmiester on Jun 1, 2014 23:58:28 GMT
Between about 7am to 7pm the 108 stand time is normally 15 minutes. 321 is anything from 5 to 12 minutes which IMO is useless because you are tight on running time. The 36 is anything between 5 and 20 minutes, but the 20 minutes is late at night. 436 is between 5 and 18 IIRC and 171 is between 5 and 25 minutes, the 25 minutes is in the daytime! From a controllers POV I find the recovery times on the NX routes not too bad, but I do agree the 321 schedule is quite poor meaning the recovery times are useless. The 171 has very good recovery times at catford, as you say up to 25 mins during the day, but I feel this helps especially when the traffic builds up in stanstead rd and on the catford gyratory! The 36 has quite a generous schedule now and what with Eastbourne terrace being re-opened and the shirland road diversions now off the route is actually now making money for the first time in nearly 10 years!
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Post by guybowden on Jun 2, 2014 6:10:11 GMT
Between about 7am to 7pm the 108 stand time is normally 15 minutes. 321 is anything from 5 to 12 minutes which IMO is useless because you are tight on running time. The 36 is anything between 5 and 20 minutes, but the 20 minutes is late at night. 436 is between 5 and 18 IIRC and 171 is between 5 and 25 minutes, the 25 minutes is in the daytime! From a controllers POV I find the recovery times on the NX routes not too bad, but I do agree the 321 schedule is quite poor meaning the recovery times are useless. The 171 has very good recovery times at catford, as you say up to 25 mins during the day, but I feel this helps especially when the traffic builds up in stanstead rd and on the catford gyratory! The 36 has quite a generous schedule now and what with Eastbourne terrace being re-opened and the shirland road diversions now off the route is actually now making money for the first time in nearly 10 years! Agree with on that eggmiester, the other part of the 171 that can mess the route up is between the stand and Holborn Station when you are heading towards Catford, sometimes it take a few minutes to one time it took me 15 minutes!! The 36 is decent now you can can use Eastbourne Terrace unless your leader is a slow coach then its hard work!
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Post by Nathan on Jun 2, 2014 8:50:54 GMT
Between about 7am to 7pm the 108 stand time is normally 15 minutes. 321 is anything from 5 to 12 minutes which IMO is useless because you are tight on running time. The 36 is anything between 5 and 20 minutes, but the 20 minutes is late at night. 436 is between 5 and 18 IIRC and 171 is between 5 and 25 minutes, the 25 minutes is in the daytime! From a controllers POV I find the recovery times on the NX routes not too bad, but I do agree the 321 schedule is quite poor meaning the recovery times are useless. The 171 has very good recovery times at catford, as you say up to 25 mins during the day, but I feel this helps especially when the traffic builds up in stanstead rd and on the catford gyratory! The 36 has quite a generous schedule now and what with Eastbourne terrace being re-opened and the shirland road diversions now off the route is actually now making money for the first time in nearly 10 years! The 321 is a dodgy one when you're waiting to board it at Sainsbury's. On the countdown site, it'll tell you that there's a bus due bus then nothing comes by! Then it just disappears from the countdown as if it had arrived. And then you just have to wait there for 10, maybe even 20 mins! Also when I go to check on LVF it'll have some completely different to what it says on the countdown. Sometimes LVF is correct, but most times it isn't. LVF also does this thing where it tells me there's a PVL coming, but then a WVL shows up. Some other bus type may come up too. Now this I'm not really too fussed over.
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Post by sid on Jun 2, 2014 11:19:47 GMT
Don't go telling people that!!!! Now I'm on the over side of the fence so to speak I want you back out as quick as I can lol On the 191 we have some duties that only have 3 minutes stand at Brimsdown!!!!!! Bet that is a problem for controllers when the timetable is set up like that, makes your job harder too, What also doesnt help is if you have an unworkable timetable plus a short turn around time. We have one at MB, at night theres only 2 buses out on the 353s so no turns are given, your given 1 mins at Ramsden Estate and 3 mins at Addington Village but your always late, so are going in and out each end, and your only eventually catch it up on your last rounder when hardly anyone uses you. I agree about the 353, there really should be three buses on that route in the evenings
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 17:39:47 GMT
Some of the lower frequency routes' stand times seem to be based on what the difference is between the time they arrive and the next 'clockwork' departure time there is. Upshot being that stand time is rarely greater then the servce frequency.
Is there any rough and ready rule for circulars?
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Post by eggmiester on Jun 2, 2014 17:46:40 GMT
From a controllers POV I find the recovery times on the NX routes not too bad, but I do agree the 321 schedule is quite poor meaning the recovery times are useless. The 171 has very good recovery times at catford, as you say up to 25 mins during the day, but I feel this helps especially when the traffic builds up in stanstead rd and on the catford gyratory! The 36 has quite a generous schedule now and what with Eastbourne terrace being re-opened and the shirland road diversions now off the route is actually now making money for the first time in nearly 10 years! The 321 is a dodgy one when you're waiting to board it at Sainsbury's. On the countdown site, it'll tell you that there's a bus due bus then nothing comes by! Then it just disappears from the countdown as if it had arrived. And then you just have to wait there for 10, maybe even 20 mins! Also when I go to check on LVF it'll have some completely different to what it says on the countdown. Sometimes LVF is correct, but most times it isn't. LVF also does this thing where it tells me there's a PVL coming, but then a WVL shows up. Some other bus type may come up too. Now this I'm not really too fussed over. The 321 is a victim of an in appropriate schedule. The reason buses will change is that on a good day we hold a spare bus at NX that gets back plated so the nurse change running numbers hence why a bus showing as a WVL arriving may depart as a PVL. There's also the problem whereby the scheduling is soo poor that if a bus departs NX late for whatever reason we pretty much have to run it light to Lewisham for instance If it has any chance of running on time, hence the gaps that can appear at sainsbury's.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 2, 2014 19:29:45 GMT
The 321 is a dodgy one when you're waiting to board it at Sainsbury's. On the countdown site, it'll tell you that there's a bus due bus then nothing comes by! Then it just disappears from the countdown as if it had arrived. And then you just have to wait there for 10, maybe even 20 mins! Also when I go to check on LVF it'll have some completely different to what it says on the countdown. Sometimes LVF is correct, but most times it isn't. LVF also does this thing where it tells me there's a PVL coming, but then a WVL shows up. Some other bus type may come up too. Now this I'm not really too fussed over. The 321 is a victim of an in appropriate schedule. The reason buses will change is that on a good day we hold a spare bus at NX that gets back plated so the nurse change running numbers hence why a bus showing as a WVL arriving may depart as a PVL. There's also the problem whereby the scheduling is soo poor that if a bus departs NX late for whatever reason we pretty much have to run it light to Lewisham for instance If it has any chance of running on time, hence the gaps that can appear at sainsbury's. Ah, I see now. Is this also why there are gaps in the service from Lewisham too? Sometimes there's a giant 20-30 min gap when waiting for the 321 from Lewisham Police Station to go to New Cross Gate.
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Post by rambo on Jun 2, 2014 23:17:08 GMT
According to TFL, the off peak run time from b'wood to queens on the 498 is 37 minutes, at night we get 23 minutes to do it! Approx 3 minutes stand time.
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Post by jay38a on Jun 2, 2014 23:17:47 GMT
The 321 is a dodgy one when you're waiting to board it at Sainsbury's. On the countdown site, it'll tell you that there's a bus due bus then nothing comes by! Then it just disappears from the countdown as if it had arrived. And then you just have to wait there for 10, maybe even 20 mins! Also when I go to check on LVF it'll have some completely different to what it says on the countdown. Sometimes LVF is correct, but most times it isn't. LVF also does this thing where it tells me there's a PVL coming, but then a WVL shows up. Some other bus type may come up too. Now this I'm not really too fussed over. The 321 is a victim of an in appropriate schedule. The reason buses will change is that on a good day we hold a spare bus at NX that gets back plated so the nurse change running numbers hence why a bus showing as a WVL arriving may depart as a PVL. There's also the problem whereby the scheduling is soo poor that if a bus departs NX late for whatever reason we pretty much have to run it light to Lewisham for instance If it has any chance of running on time, hence the gaps that can appear at sainsbury's. Seems the night 321 is even more tight. I used to get it to work before I got my car and thee was this one driver who insisted on doing 20 the whole way and he was always at least 4-5 mins late at New Eltham either way causing missed connections on numerous occasions, oh and i have him now and oh we're already 3 late at Eltham.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 1:26:04 GMT
On low frequency Route 434 you get 4 minutes at the Coulsdon end and around 22 at the Whyteleafe end
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Post by guybowden on Jun 3, 2014 18:42:48 GMT
IMO all routes in London should have at least 10 to 15 minutes stand time. Yes it will mean more buses and cost more but surely having those extra buses will improve the whole route service and less customer complaints and potentially more passengers which means more money coming in. It will also means drivers wont have 'race' the time card, meaning safer, smoother driving standards.
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Post by lc1 on Jun 3, 2014 20:40:22 GMT
Don't go telling people that!!!! Now I'm on the over side of the fence so to speak I want you back out as quick as I can lol On the 191 we have some duties that only have 3 minutes stand at Brimsdown!!!!!! Bet that is a problem for controllers when the timetable is set up like that, makes your job harder too, What also doesnt help is if you have an unworkable timetable plus a short turn around time. We have one at MB, at night theres only 2 buses out on the 353s so no turns are given, your given 1 mins at Ramsden Estate and 3 mins at Addington Village but your always late, so are going in and out each end, and your only eventually catch it up on your last rounder when hardly anyone uses you. Sure can, luckily I've only been controlling once and the driver went straight in and out....191's are a lovely route to control during the day as theres so many dead runs we can get them to do...at night the schedule is so tight it's pointless dead running them much.
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