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Post by uakari on Dec 13, 2022 19:38:47 GMT
I think it's pretty unusual for people anywhere to go out in central London, return part of the way by night bus and have parked somewhere to then take their own car, even if they are sober. I think the issue is more night bus routes being traditionally centered on Trafalgar Square so that their density peters out as you get further from there. That's why the orbital night routes connecting with tube stations in outer London are a good thing that I hope can come back and be enhanced. The idea that inner London is poor and reliant on buses and outer London is rich and reliant on cars is becoming a bit old fashioned, especially as property prices and housing scarcity push more people to the suburbs. I can’t see the night network surviving as it is or even growing. I think there will be a greater focus on later and early journeys for existing day routes over key corridors but not necessarily night routes. So where as a route might finish at 12.30am an extra journey could be worked in place of a night route. It isn’t as simple as poor vs rich, car usage is much higher in the outer boroughs than the inner ones. But as I said the night network cannot cater to the small demand of isolated journeys. It has to be centralised where journeys can be continued onwards by various means of travel. Orbital routes are great but a strong night network needs a strong night economy, something which has been decimated COVID and isn’t likely to return anytime soon with the weak economy and a greater focus on people working more sociable hours. Even where I am a route like the N213 may not survive because of the dwindling nightclub scene in Kingston and nonexistent one in Sutton. Perhaps if Amy Lame got off her arse and focused her lacklustre efforts London wide we wouldn’t be seeing outer boroughs losing out to the central zones during the night. £117k she earns and she does f**k all. Isn't it partly chicken and egg though: People who can afford to are forced into cars in outer London because the bus provision is less dense and frequent, especially at night? I agree about Lame by name, Lame by nature. Can't believe she's actually still employed - makes the GLA seem even more of a joke. I don't think she even knows anything about outer London. I remember on her radio show saying that growing up in New Jersey was like coming from Romford; she was quite sneering and she didn't seem to understand that Romford is part of the area she is responsible for and a place with an important night-time economy. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 13, 2022 20:18:55 GMT
Our night routes are very useful to getting us from A to B during those hours. Whilst some may have lower usage and are targeted for certain journey's, I think the current situation is many of our night routes don't run at a service that can attract a user particularly the frequency. Most user's aren't going to plan and consult with a half hourly service service when it's not turn up and go especially in a city like London where many of us like a simplified way of getting to our destination.
Travel demand and patterns has changed over the last decades to now we are seeing similar off peak day journey's in the evenings and on Sundays, but most services fails to match this sadly. People still travel at anytime of the day regardless what time it is weather it's to visit somewhere or not. What matters if we provide a service so people can use the service during those hours. Ideally I would have all the bus routes running during the night hours to allow users to use them.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 13, 2022 21:19:00 GMT
Think there is scope to start the Nroutes earlier and the “day” routes can stop earlier
Why not start the N routes at 10 or 11pm as a log of day routes by that time will be carrying fresh air and traffic would be fairly low as well. Of course would need a radical re-think and upfront costs
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Post by abellion on Dec 13, 2022 21:31:22 GMT
Think there is scope to start the Nroutes earlier and the “day” routes can stop earlier Why not start the N routes at 10 or 11pm as a log of day routes by that time will be carrying fresh air and traffic would be fairly low as well. Of course would need a radical re-think and upfront costs From experience, the earliest and latest 155s are pretty much identical to the N155 already flying along in a straight line with zero traffic. |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Jan 3, 2023 23:04:56 GMT
When are the weekend night routes going to return ie 114 and 183.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 4, 2023 1:10:14 GMT
When are the weekend night routes going to return ie 114 and 183. AFAIK, the weekend night routes aren't returning? |
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Post by dominic on Jan 6, 2023 17:22:29 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 6, 2023 18:04:39 GMT
A rather politicians answer which doesn't say at all that they will return unfortunately. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jan 29, 2023 14:50:12 GMT
Appears the weekend night routes have been removed from Londonbusroutes.net. I'd say this means that the chances these routes will return is 0.01%.
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Post by abellion on Jan 29, 2023 15:54:51 GMT
Appears the weekend night routes have been removed from Londonbusroutes.net. I'd say this means that the chances these routes will return is 0.01%. Shame that they couldn’t bring a few back. Some could easily be dropped in priority, the 486 is 80% followed by the N89 and the stretch from Charlton Village to Stn is mostly within walking distance from the 472, N1 and N89 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 29, 2023 16:47:25 GMT
Appears the weekend night routes have been removed from Londonbusroutes.net. I'd say this means that the chances these routes will return is 0.01%. Shame in a way but there are other links to the night tube in many places even if not the closest station. For example the N25 and N86 from Statford to Ilford as opposed to the 145 from Leytonstone, the N15 from Canning Town to East Ham and Barking, N44 from Tooting Broadway to St Helier and Sutton. |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 29, 2023 17:17:54 GMT
Appears the weekend night routes have been removed from Londonbusroutes.net. I'd say this means that the chances these routes will return is 0.01%. Shame in a way but there are other links to the night tube in many places even if not the closest station. For example the N25 and N86 from Statford to Ilford as opposed to the 145 from Leytonstone, the N15 from Canning Town to East Ham and Barking, N44 from Tooting Broadway to St Helier and Sutton. I think people have adapted and found alternatives ways around as you mentioned. I think it’s a added luxury that can be done without in these tough financial times. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 29, 2023 17:25:04 GMT
Shame in a way but there are other links to the night tube in many places even if not the closest station. For example the N25 and N86 from Statford to Ilford as opposed to the 145 from Leytonstone, the N15 from Canning Town to East Ham and Barking, N44 from Tooting Broadway to St Helier and Sutton. I think people have adapted and found alternatives ways around as you mentioned. I think it’s a added luxury that can be done without in these tough financial times. Or some they may have been able to integrate better into the 7 day week network such as the cutting the N21 to Eltham or more likely reroute it to Foots Cray and withdraw (N)321 and have an all week 24h service on the N132. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jan 29, 2023 18:19:00 GMT
Night bus ideas in SE London
Reroute N89 between Camberwell and Traflagar Square via Vauxhall, then route 87 to TSQ. Reason: Quicker than current route and N136 from Camberwell/Peckham to TSQ
Also reroute N89 between Deptford and Blackheath direct via Blackheath Hill. This results in quicker journey times into central London
Reroute N171 between Elephant and Aldwych via current route N89, to retain the New Cross to Aldwych link via Blackfriars Bridge. The N68 also links Camberwell to Aldwych/TCR via Waterloo Bridge
36 withdraw the night route between Queens Park and Paddington. Renumber it N436, operating between Paddington and Woolwich, via current route 36 to New Cross Gate, route N89 to Blackheath, then to Royal Standard, and route N53. Supports the N53 between Blackheath and Woolwich, providing them with an alternative route into central London
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Post by rift on Jan 30, 2023 1:51:00 GMT
Night bus ideas in SE London Reroute N89 between Camberwell and Traflagar Square via Vauxhall, then route 87 to TSQ. Reason: Quicker than current route and N136 from Camberwell/Peckham to TSQ Also reroute N89 between Deptford and Blackheath direct via Blackheath Hill. This results in quicker journey times into central London Reroute N171 between Elephant and Aldwych via current route N89, to retain the New Cross to Aldwych link via Blackfriars Bridge. The N68 also links Camberwell to Aldwych/TCR via Waterloo Bridge 36 withdraw the night route between Queens Park and Paddington. Renumber it N436, operating between Paddington and Woolwich, via current route 36 to New Cross Gate, route N89 to Blackheath, then to Royal Standard, and route N53. Supports the N53 between Blackheath and Woolwich, providing them with an alternative route into central London Not sure what the point of these ideas are? Your N89 change would leave Lewisham without a link to Elephant & Castle at night, and can easily be done by taking the existing N136. |
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