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Post by busaholic on Feb 18, 2020 0:14:08 GMT
Appalling decision, option 1 offers the best and most cost effective implementation of a tramline. My local MP will be getting a letter with my concerns as I am completely opposed to trams thundering past my windows until gone midnight. So, they're going to install tram lines on EXISTING roads? Have they forgotten the chaos in Croydon Town Centre? How is a tram any more efficient than an electric bus??!! I seriously doubt TfL will have the money to implement this, but another option would have been to run modern trolleybuses as are being introduced in other countries i.e. with sufficient battery back-up to run 'off line' for considerable distances, so you wouldn't have to construct overhead everywhere. And, yes, I do remember the chaos in Croydon, although at least the trams have done as well, if not better, than expected since their introduction, even if the takings don't perhaps paint a full picture.
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Post by richard on Feb 18, 2020 1:54:04 GMT
Appalling decision, option 1 offers the best and most cost effective implementation of a tramline. My local MP will be getting a letter with my concerns as I am completely opposed to trams thundering past my windows until gone midnight. So, they're going to install tram lines on EXISTING roads? Have they forgotten the chaos in Croydon Town Centre? How is a tram any more efficient than an electric bus??!! What about Red Ken's idea of a cross London tram? That was ultimately shelved buy Mr Johnson wich I belive was going to use former LT tram lines including the KIngsway underpass?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2020 3:34:10 GMT
So, they're going to install tram lines on EXISTING roads? Have they forgotten the chaos in Croydon Town Centre? How is a tram any more efficient than an electric bus??!! What about Red Ken's idea of a cross London tram? That was ultimately shelved buy Mr Johnson wich I belive was going to use former LT tram lines including the KIngsway underpass? Awful idea - the proposal was to terminate in Brixton and not only use a busy section of the A23 in the town centre but also use a road that is occupied by a lovely market with many cultural food stalls and run past what is now Pop Up Brixton as well as right past the police station which would of interfered with police cars entering & leaving. Thank goodness it was shelved.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 18, 2020 13:21:46 GMT
So, they're going to install tram lines on EXISTING roads? Have they forgotten the chaos in Croydon Town Centre? How is a tram any more efficient than an electric bus??!! Yep, they are gonna make the already busy Rose Hill into Sutton High Street even busier. I don’t know how they are gonna do it. It’s stupid and a massive wast of resources. Frankly it would be better and cheaper to upgrade the existing Thameslink line and install a new junction in Wimbledon so trams could all the way from Sutton to Croydon via Merton Road. It would be quicker and far less disruptive. I’m holding out hope that tfl won’t have the funding for it. I would have alternatively loved the District Line to have been extended to Sutton, though i would've actually prefered the Northern Line on that as was originally intended.
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Post by Green Kitten on Feb 18, 2020 16:47:29 GMT
Yep, they are gonna make the already busy Rose Hill into Sutton High Street even busier. I don’t know how they are gonna do it. It’s stupid and a massive wast of resources. Frankly it would be better and cheaper to upgrade the existing Thameslink line and install a new junction in Wimbledon so trams could all the way from Sutton to Croydon via Merton Road. It would be quicker and far less disruptive. I’m holding out hope that tfl won’t have the funding for it. I would have alternatively loved the District Line to have been extended to Sutton, though i would've actually prefered the Northern Line on that as was originally intended. Can’t imagine how busy that stretch of tube would be today if the Northern line went to Sutton! 🙀🙀
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Post by M1104 on Feb 18, 2020 16:51:42 GMT
I would have alternatively loved the District Line to have been extended to Sutton, though i would've actually prefered the Northern Line on that as was originally intended. Can’t imagine how busy that stretch of tube would be today if the Northern line went to Sutton! 🙀🙀 I imagine the frequency would have then been adjusted to match, especially with it being crowded enough during the peaks from Morden
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Post by S.152 on Oct 1, 2023 5:16:17 GMT
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 9:03:37 GMT
A bit of a shame but it's not surprising. This isn't a time for expansions of train and tram lines
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 1, 2023 9:55:13 GMT
A bit of a shame but it's not surprising. This isn't a time for expansions of train and tram lines It absolutely is. Investment in transport infrastructure has a long lead-time and is capital-intensive. It cannot be turned on and off at will like a tap. Investment in transport brings employment, both in higher-skilled construction, engineering and manufacturing, whilst operationally public transport is labour-intensive. More well-paid employment means greater tax revenues for the Government, whilst reducing the demands on public spending on benefits and on combating the effects of poor health.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 10:50:53 GMT
A bit of a shame but it's not surprising. This isn't a time for expansions of train and tram lines It absolutely is. Investment in transport infrastructure has a long lead-time and is capital-intensive. It cannot be turned on and off at will like a tap. Investment in transport brings employment, both in higher-skilled construction, engineering and manufacturing, whilst operationally public transport is labour-intensive. More well-paid employment means greater tax revenues for the Government, whilst reducing the demands on public spending on benefits and on combating the effects of poor health. What I meant in my last sentence was that it isn't time for expansions due to high costs. You can already see the uncertainty of HS2 at the moment (obviously that's a far greater scale than the Sutton tram link but every project has it's costs)
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 1, 2023 11:03:54 GMT
It absolutely is. Investment in transport infrastructure has a long lead-time and is capital-intensive. It cannot be turned on and off at will like a tap. Investment in transport brings employment, both in higher-skilled construction, engineering and manufacturing, whilst operationally public transport is labour-intensive. More well-paid employment means greater tax revenues for the Government, whilst reducing the demands on public spending on benefits and on combating the effects of poor health. What I meant in my last sentence was that it isn't time for expansions due to high costs. You can already see the uncertainty of HS2 at the moment (obviously that's a far greater scale than the Sutton tram link but every project has it's costs) So when would be the time you would pursue these projects? Look at the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction. Costed a very affordable £65m in 2005 but ballooned to £400m+ in 2018 with no HCC funding. The best time to do infrastructure projects is as soon as possible to minimise any cost increases by prolonging its construction
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2023 12:44:30 GMT
It absolutely is. Investment in transport infrastructure has a long lead-time and is capital-intensive. It cannot be turned on and off at will like a tap. Investment in transport brings employment, both in higher-skilled construction, engineering and manufacturing, whilst operationally public transport is labour-intensive. More well-paid employment means greater tax revenues for the Government, whilst reducing the demands on public spending on benefits and on combating the effects of poor health. What I meant in my last sentence was that it isn't time for expansions due to high costs. You can already see the uncertainty of HS2 at the moment (obviously that's a far greater scale than the Sutton tram link but every project has it's costs) Whilst I’m not in favour of many of these tram proposals that don’t take reality into account, your reply sadly sums this country up in a night shell when it comes to new infrastructure - afraid to spend or doing things on the cheap
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 1, 2023 12:50:12 GMT
What I meant in my last sentence was that it isn't time for expansions due to high costs. You can already see the uncertainty of HS2 at the moment (obviously that's a far greater scale than the Sutton tram link but every project has it's costs) Whilst I’m not in favour of many of these tram proposals that don’t take reality into account, your reply sadly sums this country up in a night shell when it comes to new infrastructure - afraid to spend or doing things on the cheap Let’s be honest the option picked for the Sutton loop was the most poorly thought out option. I’m so happy it’s not happening, I can sleep a little easier knowing there won’t be a tram thundering past my window past midnight for the foreseeable future.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2023 12:57:08 GMT
Whilst I’m not in favour of many of these tram proposals that don’t take reality into account, your reply sadly sums this country up in a night shell when it comes to new infrastructure - afraid to spend or doing things on the cheap Let’s be honest the option picked for the Sutton loop was the most poorly thought out option. I’m so happy it’s not happening, I can sleep a little easier knowing there won’t be a tram thundering past my window past midnight for the foreseeable future. I don’t know whether it is or isn’t in relation to that particular one but a lot of the tram proposals for London that people supported or thought of had little reality attached to them such as Cross River Tram
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Post by LondonNorthern on Oct 1, 2023 13:39:25 GMT
Whilst I’m not in favour of many of these tram proposals that don’t take reality into account, your reply sadly sums this country up in a night shell when it comes to new infrastructure - afraid to spend or doing things on the cheap Let’s be honest the option picked for the Sutton loop was the most poorly thought out option. I’m so happy it’s not happening, I can sleep a little easier knowing there won’t be a tram thundering past my window past midnight for the foreseeable future. I think the Thameslink option to be converted to tram was an excellent idea, given this could always have functioned as an extension to the Croydon network, perhaps as an alternative terminus for the Tramlink? There could have been a “Wimbledon Junction” constructed perhaps with a footbridge connecting it with Wimbledon.
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