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Post by Nathan on Aug 10, 2014 23:40:03 GMT
This is just a random thread I thought of. I'm wondering if Wrightbus will see more orders than ADL this time round. In my opinion, Gemini's have always felt more...premium...to me. I didn't first like the look of the rear end of the Gemini 3, but it's started to grow on me now. I had this same feeling when I first saw the previous two versions as well.
I never really liked the E400s. It was only until the Euro 5 versions came out I started to like them a little more. But I still prefer the Gemini anyday. The new E400 MMC doesn't really look much different from the original. I don't think I'll like it any more than I like the current version now.
What does everyone else think? Do you think London bus companies will be looking more to Wrightbus, or stay with ADL?
VOTE NOW!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 0:12:05 GMT
Personally I feel that a more fitting pole would be Gemini3/B5LH vs E400 MMC Hybrid as it makes it harder to pick between the four.
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Post by Nathan on Aug 11, 2014 0:18:09 GMT
Yeah, you're right I guess. I've edited the poll now.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2014 0:51:25 GMT
Enviro 400 MMC for me simply because I easily prefer it compared to the Gemini3 which isn't growing on me. I still think it looks absolutely horrid outside. Inside is fine enough and the one I did ride was quite cool too.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 11, 2014 6:26:11 GMT
ADL MMC imo, there are far more ADL vehicles ordered than Wrightbus excluding the New Heatmaster I've noticed and I can see it continuing. I have a feeling though the Gemini 3 may become a Go Ahead London favourite.
ADL MMC I know we may see lots of orders from Abellio & Stagecoach. Possibly RATP DEV as well.
As for Tower Transit well 212, 444, 488 I wonder what they will order.
Not sure about Arriva these days.
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Post by sw11simon on Aug 11, 2014 8:58:40 GMT
I'm not going to guess... I mean vote. I do not think there is a new E400 to judge yet. Personally I think the Volvo/Wrights offerings are far superior at the moment, but this is mainly due to the fact that I find E400 suspension, and therefore ride quality, very poor indeed. If ADL have addressed this I may change my opinion, but I don't know yet. Anyway, which bus is better has nothing to do with things (certainly from an aesthetics point of view). It is which bus is cheaper for contracted operations (which is a factor for joint sourcing, like Arriva, Go-Ahead or Metroline do - they let the manufacturers compete for their business). Who knows, Optare or Scania may have success as well.
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Post by Green Kitten on Aug 11, 2014 10:26:15 GMT
I'll properly judge when I have a ride on the MMC.
As for appearance, the MMC looks more appealing, though the Gemini 3 isn't too bad.
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 11, 2014 10:38:20 GMT
The MMC just looks better and the upstairs doesn't feel cramp, Hope the air cooling works better than current E400's and hope it doesn't rattle like mad
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Post by M1104 on Aug 11, 2014 13:04:15 GMT
The MMC just looks better and the upstairs doesn't feel cramp, Hope the air cooling works better than current E400's and hope it doesn't rattle like mad The video says that it's practically rattle free, but let's see if it lives up to ADL's 'gift of the gab' |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 11, 2014 18:47:23 GMT
ADL MMC imo, there are far more ADL vehicles ordered than Wrightbus excluding the New Heatmaster I've noticed and I can see it continuing. I have a feeling though the Gemini 3 may become a Go Ahead London favourite. ADL MMC I know we may see lots of orders from Abellio & Stagecoach. Possibly RATP DEV as well. As for Tower Transit well 212, 444, 488 I wonder what they will order. Not sure about Arriva these days. I think Arriva will go for the StreetDeck in low numbers (mostly London), but even they are ordering more ADL products now. They've fallen out of love with VDL, who made the DB300 / SB200 TT will go for E400MMC's, I reckon  |
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Post by Volvo on Aug 11, 2014 19:02:09 GMT
Yeah, you're right I guess. I've edited the poll now. It is still four choices as you still have diesel and hybrid variants for each body type. Anyway for me right now I say the E400 MMC, would be nice imo to see some B5TL & B5LH versions. |
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Post by Volvo on Aug 11, 2014 19:03:03 GMT
ADL MMC imo, there are far more ADL vehicles ordered than Wrightbus excluding the New Heatmaster I've noticed and I can see it continuing. I have a feeling though the Gemini 3 may become a Go Ahead London favourite. ADL MMC I know we may see lots of orders from Abellio & Stagecoach. Possibly RATP DEV as well. As for Tower Transit well 212, 444, 488 I wonder what they will order. Not sure about Arriva these days. I think Arriva will go for the StreetDeck in low numbers (mostly London), but even they are ordering more ADL products now. They've fallen out of love with VDL, who made the DB300 / SB200 TT will go for E400MMC's, I reckon More like the VDL products have fallen out of production! |
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Post by Nathan on Aug 11, 2014 19:07:39 GMT
Was the current E400 cheaper than the Gemini 2? I assume it was given it's more popular.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 11, 2014 19:44:03 GMT
Was the current E400 cheaper than the Gemini 2? I assume it was given it's more popular. The euro4 and euro5 engined ADL E400 had the optional spec of the 6.7L engine coupled to a ZF box, which the Gemini 2 bodied bus (DW and B9TL) doesn't offer in combination. This may form part of the Enviro400's popularity with the London firms, which tend to favor the ZF box and often the most economic engine available for a double decker. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 11, 2014 19:46:10 GMT
Was the current E400 cheaper than the Gemini 2? I assume it was given it's more popular. The popularity may be down to the fact the Gemini2 only came out around early 2009 whereas the first sizeable batch of Enviro 400's was in December 2005/January 2006. |
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