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Post by M1104 on May 22, 2020 10:51:02 GMT
I don't know why the first journey only goes to Streatham Hill Station, does seem a bit odd. Residential issues which Vjaska mentioned above.
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Post by uakari on May 22, 2020 16:56:13 GMT
Reroute the 6 or 98 to serve where the route 10 used to serve(British Museum/Russel Square) and extend it to Kings Cross But the 14 already serves the British Museum and Russell Square. I extremely doubt that the section there could justify an additional service, especially at such enormous expenditure of more than £1 million per annum for the routes (6/98) you mention. Nor is there likely to be any additional layover space in the King's Cross area. Lots of space at King's Cross since the York Way stand lost the 10, 45 and 59 and only gained the 476. It would be simplest just to extent the 14 via the old 10 route or via Guilford Street and Grays Inn Road.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 23, 2020 9:29:54 GMT
To help solve overcrowding issues on the 30 - I propose to extend the 277 to Highbury Barn and stand with the 263.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 23, 2020 10:07:01 GMT
Whilst it would offer some relief it would turn off before Highbury and Islington station to get to the Barn so would probably still leave the 30 rammed and the 277 less well used.
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Post by redexpress on May 23, 2020 11:16:37 GMT
To help solve overcrowding issues on the 30 - I propose to extend the 277 to Highbury Barn and stand with the 263. The Highbury Barn stand definitely doesn't have room for a second route. And you can't get there from the east, unless you take the back streets like the 236, in which case you'd miss out the Highbury Corner crowds anyway. An extension to Holloway, where there is plenty of stand space, would do the trick. Not sure if it would be deemed worthwhile though.
As an aside I've always thought that the N277 should have run to Camden (via Holloway), instead of the Angel. It would effectively be a night replacement for the Overground, and would open up more links than the current N277 does. Many of the areas served by the N277 already have a night link to the Angel anyway.
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Post by rif153 on May 23, 2020 11:44:14 GMT
To help solve overcrowding issues on the 30 - I propose to extend the 277 to Highbury Barn and stand with the 263. Its such a shame the 277 no longer goes to Highbury & Islington as that was a very useful connection, I'm still a huge fan of the 277 but its a shame that part of the route is no more. However, I don't see how the 277 can be returned to Highbury & Islington without becoming too long, there's no bus stand anymore so the 277 would have to be extended to either Holloway or Angel but I think this would take too long and the former section of the 277 is not coming back. The best way to relieve overcrowding on the 30 may to increase the frequency or add some extras to the service.
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Post by uakari on May 23, 2020 11:54:33 GMT
To help solve overcrowding issues on the 30 - I propose to extend the 277 to Highbury Barn and stand with the 263. The Highbury Barn stand definitely doesn't have room for a second route. And you can't get there from the east, unless you take the back streets like the 236, in which case you'd miss out the Highbury Corner crowds anyway. An extension to Holloway, where there is plenty of stand space, would do the trick. Not sure if it would be deemed worthwhile though.
As an aside I've always thought that the N277 should have run to Camden (via Holloway), instead of the Angel. It would effectively be a night replacement for the Overground, and would open up more links than the current N277 does. Many of the areas served by the N277 already have a night link to the Angel anyway.
TfL clearly don't think a night service along that section of the London Overground is value for money, or they wouldn't have withdrawn the night service on route 274 about ten years ago.
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Post by ian on May 24, 2020 9:28:40 GMT
I wonder (out loud) if some kind of lengthy/express route along the A1 would work ... somehow connecting say Edgware, Mill Hill, parts of Hendon/Finchley at one end ... with Highgate, Archway, Holloway or even Islingon at the other?
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Post by Steve Macz on May 24, 2020 15:00:36 GMT
I wonder (out loud) if some kind of lengthy/express route along the A1 would work ... somehow connecting say Edgware, Mill Hill, parts of Hendon/Finchley at one end ... with Highgate, Archway, Holloway or even Islingon at the other? Your post reminds me of when they had a Red Express X43 in the 90’s to link, North Finchley but via Muswell Hill. I think a nice through bus link would be one that starts at Archway and ends at Mill Hill direct via A1 ( all stops) Then onto Mill Hill Broadway to Terminate. Runs every 10 mins daytime 15 sunday/ evening. I’d assume a route like this would have decent running time. Optional garages: Holloway or Edgeware , if Metroline. Most likely candidate.
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Post by uakari on May 25, 2020 19:40:03 GMT
NEW ROUTE H4: Circular/loop route operating anticlockwise: Golders Green station - Child's Hill - West Heath Road - Frognal - Hampstead Village - Hampstead Heath station/South End Green - East Heath Road - West Heath Road - Child's Hill - Golders Green station. Possible additional route numbered H5 operating clockwise along the same roads. (Anticlockwise prioritised in terms of a bus to take passengers up the Arkwright Road and East Heath Road hills, to and from shopping areas/stations.)
Objectives: To connect Child's Hill and Hampstead Village/Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath without having to travel via Golders Green. To bring the housing round West Heath Road, Frognal (including UCS school) and East Heath Road within closer reach of the bus network, tube and Overground stations, shopping areas and Royal Free Hospital.
Vehicle type: Optare Solo SR 7.8m (as used on route H2).
Suggested frequency: Every 30 minutes Monday to Sunday, 07:00 to 19:30 only.
Comments appreciated: feasibility, likely usage levels, routing variations, etc.
PROPOSED ROUTING:
- Golders Green bus station
- Golders Green/Finchley Road (stop GL)
- Dunstan Road (stop A)
- Llanvanor Road (stop B)
- Child's Hill/Cricklewood Lane (stop C)
*Hail-and-ride section begins*
- Turn left into West Heath Road
- Turn right into continuation of West Heath Road
*Hail-and-ride section ends*
- West Heath Road/Platt's Lane (new fixed stop)
- Templewood Avenue (new fixed stop)
- Firecrest Drive (new fixed stop)
*Hail-and-ride section begins*
- Branch Hill
- Frognal Rise
- Frognal
- University College School
- Arkwright Road
*Hail-and-ride section ends*
- Hampstead High Street/Hampstead station (stop D)
- Hampstead station (stop R)
- Pilgrim's Lane (stop S)
- Royal Free Hospital (stop C)
- Calling at South End Green/Hampstead Heath station (168 bus stand X)
- Keats Grove (new fixed stop)
- Well Walk (new fixed stop)
- Squire's Mount/Vale of Health (new fixed stop)
- East Heath Road/Whitestone Pond (new fixed stop)
- West Heath Road/Lower Terrace (new fixed stop)
- Firecrest Drive (new fixed stop)
- Templewood Avenue (new fixed stop)
- West Heath Road/Platt's Lane (new fixed stop)
*Hail-and-ride section begins*
- West Heath Road
- Turn left into continuation of West Heath Road
*Hail-and-ride section ends*
- Turn right into Finchley Road
- Llanvanor Road (stop M)
- Dunstan Road (stop N)
- Golders Green/Finchley Road (stop GM)
- Golders Green bus station.
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Post by redexpress on May 25, 2020 20:11:42 GMT
NEW ROUTE H4: Circular/loop route operating anticlockwise: Golders Green station - Child's Hill - West Heath Road - Frognal - Hampstead Village - Hampstead Heath station/South End Green - East Heath Road - Golders Green station. Possible additional route numbered H5 operating clockwise along the same roads. (Anticlockwise prioritised in terms of a bus to take passengers up the Arkwright Road and East Heath Road hills, to and from shopping areas/stations.) Objectives: To connect Child's Hill and Hampstead Village/Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath without having to travel via Golders Green. To bring the housing round West Heath Road, Frognal (including UCS school) and East Heath Road within closer reach of the bus network, tube and Overground stations, shopping areas and Royal Free Hospital. Vehicle type: Optare Solo SR 7.8m (as used on route H2). Suggested frequency: Every 30 minutes Monday to Sunday, 07:00 to 19:30 only. Comments appreciated: feasibility, likely usage levels, routing variations, etc. I like it. But I have to say this is really not good "bus territory" in terms of potential usage. Then again, the same could be said of the H3, and that route manages to justify its existence. I reckon the only way a route like this would see the light of day is as a shopping-hour route that uses the second bus off the 631 (i.e. the bus that doesn't do the H3). With one bus it'd have to be an hourly service - and of course that depends on the full circuit being possible within an hour. I'm afraid I can't see a route like this being feasible if it requires its own bus.
I think I'd tweak the route slightly so that (at least in one direction) it runs via the northern section of West Heath Road and West Heath Avenue, serving the western entrance to Golders Hill Park.
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Post by uakari on May 25, 2020 20:18:37 GMT
NEW ROUTE H4: Circular/loop route operating anticlockwise: Golders Green station - Child's Hill - West Heath Road - Frognal - Hampstead Village - Hampstead Heath station/South End Green - East Heath Road - Golders Green station. Possible additional route numbered H5 operating clockwise along the same roads. (Anticlockwise prioritised in terms of a bus to take passengers up the Arkwright Road and East Heath Road hills, to and from shopping areas/stations.) Objectives: To connect Child's Hill and Hampstead Village/Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath without having to travel via Golders Green. To bring the housing round West Heath Road, Frognal (including UCS school) and East Heath Road within closer reach of the bus network, tube and Overground stations, shopping areas and Royal Free Hospital. Vehicle type: Optare Solo SR 7.8m (as used on route H2). Suggested frequency: Every 30 minutes Monday to Sunday, 07:00 to 19:30 only. Comments appreciated: feasibility, likely usage levels, routing variations, etc. I like it. But I have to say this is really not good "bus territory" in terms of potential usage. Then again, the same could be said of the H3, and that route manages to justify its existence. I reckon the only way a route like this would see the light of day is as a shopping-hour route that uses the second bus off the 631 (i.e. the bus that doesn't do the H3). With one bus it'd have to be an hourly service - and of course that depends on the full circuit being possible within an hour. I'm afraid I can't see a route like this being feasible if it requires its own bus.
I think I'd tweak the route slightly so that (at least in one direction) it runs via the northern section of West Heath Road and West Heath Avenue, serving the western entrance to Golders Hill Park.
The reason I didn't choose for the route to run past Golders Hill Park western entrance is that I wanted for it to get as possible to the centre of Child's Hill, so as to provide a Child's Hill - Hampstead link without having to travel via Golders Green. Golders Hill Park and the housing around it is still fairly easily accessible from the Dunstan Road stop or from the more southerly section of West Heath Road that would be served on the proposed routing. I think the full circuit would take maximum 40 mins in peak time, accounting for traffic, so should be doable with one bus if it were to be an hourly service.
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Post by uakari on May 25, 2020 21:35:36 GMT
NEW ROUTE H4: Circular/loop route operating anticlockwise: Golders Green station - Child's Hill - West Heath Road - Frognal - Hampstead Village - Hampstead Heath station/South End Green - East Heath Road - Golders Green station. Possible additional route numbered H5 operating clockwise along the same roads. (Anticlockwise prioritised in terms of a bus to take passengers up the Arkwright Road and East Heath Road hills, to and from shopping areas/stations.) Objectives: To connect Child's Hill and Hampstead Village/Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath without having to travel via Golders Green. To bring the housing round West Heath Road, Frognal (including UCS school) and East Heath Road within closer reach of the bus network, tube and Overground stations, shopping areas and Royal Free Hospital. Vehicle type: Optare Solo SR 7.8m (as used on route H2). Suggested frequency: Every 30 minutes Monday to Sunday, 07:00 to 19:30 only. Comments appreciated: feasibility, likely usage levels, routing variations, etc. I like it. But I have to say this is really not good "bus territory" in terms of potential usage. Then again, the same could be said of the H3, and that route manages to justify its existence. I reckon the only way a route like this would see the light of day is as a shopping-hour route that uses the second bus off the 631 (i.e. the bus that doesn't do the H3). With one bus it'd have to be an hourly service - and of course that depends on the full circuit being possible within an hour. I'm afraid I can't see a route like this being feasible if it requires its own bus.
I think I'd tweak the route slightly so that (at least in one direction) it runs via the northern section of West Heath Road and West Heath Avenue, serving the western entrance to Golders Hill Park.
Another routing variation I thought of would be for the H4 to run along the full length of Reddington Road, or Templewood Avenue then Reddington Road, from West Heath Road to Frognal (instead of going via Branch Hill and Frognal Rise). This would probably be best as a hail-and-ride section. This routing idea would be because the roads round Reddington Road and Templewood Avenue are also quite distant from the bus network, and there is also a slight pinch point and blind spot just at the crest of Branch Hill, which could potentially cause problems for a bus to get through safely.
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Post by COBO on Jun 7, 2020 0:09:17 GMT
139 - Extend the day service from Golders Green to Cricklewood Bus Garage via route 226 to Cricklewood Lane, Cricklewood Station and route 245 to Cricklewood Bus Garage. For garage journeys and to link Cricklewood with Waterloo and Trafalgar Square.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 7, 2020 11:54:51 GMT
139 - Extend the day service from Golders Green to Cricklewood Bus Garage via route 226 to Cricklewood Lane, Cricklewood Station and route 245 to Cricklewood Bus Garage. For garage journeys and to link Cricklewood with Waterloo and Trafalgar Square. That would make an already traffic-ridden route horrendous in the peaks and on Saturday nights. I want to hear @volvo's views on this.
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