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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 20, 2020 13:07:30 GMT
Back with my adding Hadley Green to a bus network idea but this time with the 383. To me it's interesting why there isn't a bus run by TFL going to Hadley Green full time. My idea: Route 383 now becomes a Monday to Sunday service Routes 84 & 399 have no changes to timetabling Routing changes: Route 383 is currently running between Finchley Memorial Hospital & Barnet The Spires. Towards Hadley Green, Route 383 would take Stratford Road & Alston Road with a new Hail & Ride stop at the top of Alston Road to help serve those who are served by the poorly timetabled 614 who do not have a link to High Barnet Station or New Barnet. It would then take St Albans Road, before then turning up Barnet High Street then serving the stop "St Albans Road/Hadley Green" which is served by Routes 84, 399 & 626. This is to serve the northern half of the high street and to better link it with current users of the 383. It would then run Hail & Ride along Hadley Green Road & Sydney Chapman Way. This is to serve residents of East View & Hadley Green Road better. It would then turn onto Dury Road before serving the hail & ride stop served by Route 399s. The route would then turn back onto the A1000 to then go up to Hadley Highstone, before turning using the turning point and then some stands being created on the opposite side of the road. A stand would be marked "Hadley Highstone" Towards The Spires it would have the same routing (even via Strafford & Alston Roads) Why the 383 is a good option: The route running times are good they don't start too early or finish too late, minimal resident disruption Small buses that can do the manoeuvre around the Hadley Highstone turning point without problem. A 30 minute frequency which is ideal for the level of demand Access to High Barnet Station, which is being prone to less parking spaces soon, will help residents not needing to pay for an 84. Also access to New Barnet Station and serves the full length of the high street and The Spires. Issues could be raised: - Route cannot fit through the Alston Road width restriction Solution: Removing it and possibly implementing a bus gate. It is presumably used so Alston Road isn't used as a ratrun. - Does not serve Greenacre Close or Beaumont Place, as well as still leaving Kitts End unserved. Kitts End is very small in terms of population and I cannot see much demand for a service. If Greenacre Close or Beaumont Place were to be served, likely the next curtail point would be Ganwick Corner and using the triangle to turn around. However, demand is not high enough for either options. - What if there isn't the demand? Solution: This would be heavily advertised to the residents. LondonNorthernAlternatively, the 383 could perhaps continue to terminate at The Spires, but instead divert from Potters Road to go via Hadley Road, Hadley Common, Hadley Green Road, Dury Road, Great North Road and Barnet High Street. The 383 would no longer serve High Barnet Station, but the 184 would continue via Meadway. The main point of my extension to the 383 would be to serve North of Hadley Green where the 399 doesn't go, and also to serve roads like Alston Road & Strafford Road which either have lost the 384 towards High Barnet Station or the very infrequent 614 as well as giving Hadley Green a bus service to High Barnet that is cheaper than the 84. That idea contradicts my points. In fact, it would have the same problem as the 399 being that it sure, does serve the Spires but it doesn't serve where demand is which will after the works be at High Barnet Station.
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 21, 2020 14:17:58 GMT
I have a few ideas for routes and no I’m not repeating them.
248: 24 hour Daily service introduced.
296: Extension to Roneo Corner via Queen’s Hospital.
347: Runs everyday Monday to Sunday.
374: New route running between Rainham, Ferry Lane and Harold Hill, serving: Rainham, Ferry Lane Rainham, Tesco Dovers Corner Cherry Tree Lane Airfield Way Hornchurch Station Hornchurch Town Centre Emerson Park Station Havering College Harold Wood Station Church Road Dagnam Park Square
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2020 15:32:22 GMT
I have a few ideas for routes and no I’m not repeating them. 248: 24 hour Daily service introduced. 296: Extension to Roneo Corner via Queen’s Hospital. 347: Runs everyday Monday to Sunday. 374: New route running between Rainham, Ferry Lane and Harold Hill, serving: Rainham, Ferry Lane Rainham, Tesco Dovers Corner Cherry Tree Lane Airfield Way Hornchurch Station Hornchurch Town Centre Emerson Park Station Havering College Harold Wood Station Church Road Dagnam Park Square Can't comment too much on this as I'm not local but the 365 already follows your proposed 296 extension via Queens Hospital & Roneo Corner so would another link be necessary?
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 21, 2020 15:44:20 GMT
I have a few ideas for routes and no I’m not repeating them. 248: 24 hour Daily service introduced. 296: Extension to Roneo Corner via Queen’s Hospital. 347: Runs everyday Monday to Sunday. 374: New route running between Rainham, Ferry Lane and Harold Hill, serving: Rainham, Ferry Lane Rainham, Tesco Dovers Corner Cherry Tree Lane Airfield Way Hornchurch Station Hornchurch Town Centre Emerson Park Station Havering College Harold Wood Station Church Road Dagnam Park Square Can't comment too much on this as I'm not local but the 365 already follows your proposed 296 extension via Queens Hospital & Roneo Corner so would another link be necessary? Most likely yes. Although you could just change from the 296 to the 365, residents in Marks Gate and Newbury Park would find it good to have a direct link to Queen’s Hospital, as well as an almost direct link to King George Hospital.
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Oct 21, 2020 15:49:21 GMT
Can't comment too much on this as I'm not local but the 365 already follows your proposed 296 extension via Queens Hospital & Roneo Corner so would another link be necessary? Most likely yes. Although you could just change from the 296 to the 365, residents in Marks Gate and Newbury Park would find it good to have a direct link to Queen’s Hospital, as well as an almost direct link to King George Hospital. I would of just made the 256 extend to Orchard Village and make 252 go via queens hospital and also extend to Havering park. Placing the 374 would be overbused as Elm Park is already overbused.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2020 16:30:12 GMT
Most likely yes. Although you could just change from the 296 to the 365, residents in Marks Gate and Newbury Park would find it good to have a direct link to Queen’s Hospital, as well as an almost direct link to King George Hospital. I would of just made the 256 extend to Orchard Village and make 252 go via queens hospital and also extend to Havering park. Placing the 374 would be overbused as Elm Park is already overbused. I presume your trying to replace the 365? Not local as I mention but it seems your breaking a few links by doing this and if not, there isn't room at Havering Park or Orchard Village for a second route nor do I think the 256 is ideal for such an extension given the congestion at the A12 & A127 junctions at busy times, especially the latter.
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 21, 2020 19:14:07 GMT
Most likely yes. Although you could just change from the 296 to the 365, residents in Marks Gate and Newbury Park would find it good to have a direct link to Queen’s Hospital, as well as an almost direct link to King George Hospital. I would of just made the 256 extend to Orchard Village and make 252 go via queens hospital and also extend to Havering park. Placing the 374 would be overbused as Elm Park is already overbused. It wouldn’t go to Elm Park though, it goes through South End Road to Airfield Way.
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Oct 21, 2020 21:29:29 GMT
I would of just made the 256 extend to Orchard Village and make 252 go via queens hospital and also extend to Havering park. Placing the 374 would be overbused as Elm Park is already overbused. I presume your trying to replace the 365? Not local as I mention but it seems your breaking a few links by doing this and if not, there isn't room at Havering Park or Orchard Village for a second route nor do I think the 256 is ideal for such an extension given the congestion at the A12 & A127 junctions at busy times, especially the latter. I’m a local of the area the 365 is mostly dominated by the 165 there so not really much links lost but the 252 extending to Havering park via clockhouse lane. 365 overshadows a lot by other routes and it could easily be withdrawn also the 175 as well
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 22, 2020 9:28:00 GMT
Can't comment too much on this as I'm not local but the 365 already follows your proposed 296 extension via Queens Hospital & Roneo Corner so would another link be necessary? Most likely yes. Although you could just change from the 296 to the 365, residents in Marks Gate and Newbury Park would find it good to have a direct link to Queen’s Hospital, as well as an almost direct link to King George Hospital. No it really wouldn't, you already have a plethora of routes running to the hospital from Western Road where it's a simple change of bus. You've got a choice of around 5-6 routes as well and there's not even stand space at Queens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 10:20:58 GMT
Two changes to the Romford area I'd make are these; 1. Bit out of leftfield this,but I'd withdraw the 499 from Crow Lane,and Whalebone Lane South and have it run from Queens as the 103 to Becontree Heath, then around the Heath Park Estate. Then as now back to Romford. The 296 I'd run to Crow Lane,and stand it there, there's plenty of scope for a stand about two thirds down, to give Crow Lane a two way route. 2. A must for me is a link between Gidea Park Main Rd and Gidea Park Station. So I'd reroute the 498 , turning off Main Rd into Balgores Lane, then the station and back on route via Upper Brentwood Rd. This gives the whole of Balgores Lane a route for the first time.
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Post by britishguy54 on Oct 22, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
Two changes to the Romford area I'd make are these; 1. Bit out of leftfield this,but I'd withdraw the 499 from Crow Lane,and Whalebone Lane South and have it run from Queens as the 103 to Becontree Heath, then around the Heath Park Estate. Then as now back to Romford. The 296 I'd run to Crow Lane,and stand it there, there's plenty of scope for a stand about two thirds down, to give Crow Lane a two way route. 2. A must for me is a link between Gidea Park Main Rd and Gidea Park Station. So I'd reroute the 498 , turning off Main Rd into Balgores Lane, then the station and back on route via Upper Brentwood Rd. This gives the whole of Balgores Lane a route for the first time. I’m not too sure about the 499... I’d rather let it go both ways down Crow Lane, and loop at Heath Park Estate, then Becontree Heath Bus Station, as Rush Green is already served well by the 103. It’s clear the 296 doesn’t need to change. No one wants it to change so it shouldn’t. A route in Gidea Park could potentially be done by a new route between Romford, Roneo Corner and Hornchurch, Miramar Way (Maybe called the 495), down Balgores Lane, Gidea Park Station, Havering College, Hornchurch, etc.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2020 13:36:06 GMT
I presume your trying to replace the 365? Not local as I mention but it seems your breaking a few links by doing this and if not, there isn't room at Havering Park or Orchard Village for a second route nor do I think the 256 is ideal for such an extension given the congestion at the A12 & A127 junctions at busy times, especially the latter. I’m a local of the area the 365 is mostly dominated by the 165 there so not really much links lost but the 252 extending to Havering park via clockhouse lane. 365 overshadows a lot by other routes and it could easily be withdrawn also the 175 as well The 165 doesn't run between North Street & Havering Park so there is still links lost regardless of how many it actually is. Lots of routes are overshadowed by others but that doesn't mean they should be withdrawn and what does the 175 have to do with anything?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 14:15:02 GMT
Two changes to the Romford area I'd make are these; 1. Bit out of leftfield this,but I'd withdraw the 499 from Crow Lane,and Whalebone Lane South and have it run from Queens as the 103 to Becontree Heath, then around the Heath Park Estate. Then as now back to Romford. The 296 I'd run to Crow Lane,and stand it there, there's plenty of scope for a stand about two thirds down, to give Crow Lane a two way route. 2. A must for me is a link between Gidea Park Main Rd and Gidea Park Station. So I'd reroute the 498 , turning off Main Rd into Balgores Lane, then the station and back on route via Upper Brentwood Rd. This gives the whole of Balgores Lane a route for the first time. I’m not too sure about the 499... I’d rather let it go both ways down Crow Lane, and loop at Heath Park Estate, then Becontree Heath Bus Station, as Rush Green is already served well by the 103. It’s clear the 296 doesn’t need to change. No one wants it to change so it shouldn’t. A route in Gidea Park could potentially be done by a new route between Romford, Roneo Corner and Hornchurch, Miramar Way (Maybe called the 495), down Balgores Lane, Gidea Park Station, Havering College, Hornchurch, etc. 499 can't go both ways down Crow Lane, and also serve Heath Park Estate. No route can go both ways down Crow Lane unless it terminates there because the last 100 yards is one way. So any route that terminates at Romford Station could go to Crow Lane to stand to keep a service there,and the 499 go to Heath Park direct via 103 route ,loop, and come back as now.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Jan 19, 2021 19:57:17 GMT
I would propose a route that goes cross north-west-north london as i don't think we have enough of those and they would be very useful, this could go from willesden, bus garage to Walthamstow via: -Kilburn - South Hampstead/ Swiss Cottage - Chalk Farm -Camden town - Holloway - Finsbury park -Manor House - Seven Sisters -Tottenham hale -Walthamstow central bus station Attachment Deleted
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 19, 2021 20:35:27 GMT
I would propose a route that goes cross north-west-north london as i don't think we have enough of those and they would be very useful, this could go from willesden, bus garage to Walthamstow via: -Kilburn - South Hampstead/ Swiss Cottage - Chalk Farm -Camden town - Holloway - Finsbury park -Manor House - Seven Sisters -Tottenham hale -Walthamstow central bus station View AttachmentWouldn’t the traffic in Camden Town kill the reliability?
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