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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2021 19:26:14 GMT
A30
Running between Heathrow Central and Chingford.
Cherry Road
Route 222 to Uxbridge
Belmont Road
Route U1 to West Ruislip Station
High Road
Route U10 to Ruislip Station
Station Approach
Pembroke Road
Windmill Hill
Eastcote Road
High Road Eastcote
Joel Street
Northwood Hills Station
Pinner Road
Rickmansworth Road
Pinner Green
Uxbridge Road
Hatch End Station
Stanmore Church
Church Road
Stanmore Broadway
London Road
Stanmore Station
Canons Crescent
Spur Road
London Academy
Edgware Way
Apex Corner
Barnet Way
Route 292 to Stirling Corner
Stirling Corner
Barnet Road
Route 107 to High Barnet Station
High Barnet Station
Barnet Hill
Route 307 to Enfield Town Station
Southbury Road
Route 313 to Chingford Station
Purpose:
Route A30 is a limited stop route linking Barnet, Enfield and Chingford to Uxbridge and Heathrow.
Using:
BYD Enviro 400 City EVs
New Routemasters
Operator:
Abellio London or Arriva London or Go Ahead London or Metroline or RATP London.
Garage:
UX or HZ or WS or HH or NP or E or PB or EW or HD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 21:06:01 GMT
A30 Running between Heathrow Central and Chingford. Cherry Road Route 222 to Uxbridge Belmont Road Route U1 to West Ruislip Station High Road Route U10 to Ruislip Station Station Approach Pembroke Road Windmill Hill Eastcote Road High Road Eastcote Joel Street Northwood Hills Station Pinner Road Rickmansworth Road Pinner Green Uxbridge Road Hatch End Station Stanmore Church Church Road Stanmore Broadway London Road Stanmore Station Canons Crescent Spur Road London Academy Edgware Way Apex Corner Barnet Way Route 292 to Stirling Corner Stirling Corner Barnet Road Route 107 to High Barnet Station High Barnet Station Barnet Hill Route 307 to Enfield Town Station Southbury Road Route 313 to Chingford Station Purpose: Route A30 is a limited stop route linking Barnet, Enfield and Chingford to Uxbridge and Heathrow. Using: BYD Enviro 400 City EVs New Routemasters Operator: Abellio London or Arriva London or Go Ahead London or Metroline or RATP London. Garage: UX or HZ or WS or HH or NP or E or PB or EW or HD. I like the idea but I'd probably make it a bit more express around Stanmore and reroute via Cuckoo Hill rather than Northwood Hills I'd also extend the X140 to Harrow Weald Bus Garage stopping only at Wealdstone which provides a Harrow Weald link to Heathrow, extend the 278 to somewhere in Eastcote, make your route completely non stop between Heathrow and Ruislip (going via A10, Lees Road, 278 to West Ruislip, U10 to Ruislip). This is because airport links already exist and going via Hillingdon instead of Uxbridge is quicker. Then I'd go via your route but probably only as far as Oakwood, since anyone travelling beyond there could use the Piccadilly line. I do think North London should get some more trunk routes, maybe extending the 340 to Barnet, maybe a Chingford to Barnet link would be realistically possible (possibly an extension of the 307) |
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 6, 2021 11:15:39 GMT
God, I haven’t been here in a while.
Anyway, with Barking Riverside Station opening next year (hopefully), I thought it would be about time to propose some new route ideas.
EL4: Barking Riverside - Becontree - Romford
Yes, I still believe the EL4 has potential. The route could go as follows:
Barking Riverside Station
Northgate Road
Choats Road
Renwick Road
Castle Green Station (Not yet constructed, however, has been planned as an inbetween station between Barking and Barking Riverside)
Ripple Road (The junction will need to be completely altered, so expect a long slew of delays on the A13)
Maplestead Road/Goresbrook Road (This section needs a route. Schools especially need it, plus TfL are already considering the 287 coming down the road).
Gale Street
Becontree Station
Martins Corner
Wood Lane with the 5? Or perhaps Green Lane with the 128?
Rush Green Road (Pretty much the 128 to Romford).
Queen’s Hospital
The Brewery (How does only the 128, 193 and 496 serve this?)
Romford Station
That’s one down, and another to go.
365 Re-Routing:
Ok, this could happen. Perhaps once the 287 gets more services, the 365 could be re-routed northbound through Orchard Village. What’s the other options? Extending the 175? 364?
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Post by COBO on Sept 9, 2021 3:23:38 GMT
N16: extended from Edgware to Watford Junction via route 142 to Watford Junction. To link Watford with Edgware and Central London at night.
N18: extended from Harrow Weald to Watford Junction via route 258 to Watford Junction. To link Harrow and also Central London with Watford at night.
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Post by cl54 on Sept 9, 2021 3:40:57 GMT
It may a fantasy thread but driver's hours regulations do exist.
Long routes are no longer possible. Limiting stops does not create an express route.
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Post by COBO on Sept 9, 2021 3:43:02 GMT
It may a fantasy thread but driver's hours regulations do exist. Long routes are no longer possible. Limiting stops does not create an express route. But it’s a fantasy and not real. |
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Post by busfinder264 on Sept 9, 2021 7:09:40 GMT
Extensions:
45 to kings cross via blackfriars (so the old route)
133 to dalston junction via hackney wick
415 to Canada water via Surrey quays
432 to Bromley north via penge
New bus routes:
435 from Brixton - penge Sainsbury’s via Loughborough junction, Denmark hill, east dulwich, forest hill, lower Sydenham and penge east operated by go ahead, london central at camberwell garage using the same buses that the 35 or 40 uses like evosetis
342 from Tottenham Court Road to hackney central via dalston junction, shoreditch, Liverpool Street, bank, st Paul’s and Holborn using gemini 3s like the 242 to replace the old part of the 242
431 from Herne hill to Finsbury Park via Highbury and Islington, Barbican, st Paul’s’, London Bridge, elephant and castle, Kennington and brixton
Re-routes:
40 to Aldgate (so the old route)
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2021 1:19:06 GMT
6: extended from Aldwych to London Bridge via route 15 to Canon Street and route 17 to London Bridge. Daytime service between Edgware Road and Willesden Bus Garage. Daytime service diverted to Queen’s Park via route 36 to Queen’s Park. To link Paddington and Marble Arch with London Bridge.
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. To maintain link lost by the 440.
23: rerouted between Paddington and Marble Arch via Eastbourne Terrace, Craven Road, Sussex Gardens, Westbourne Street and route 94 to Marble Arch. Withdrawn between Marble Arch and Hammersmith. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Sudbury via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, 206 to Brent Park and 92 to Sudbury. To link Wembley and Harlesden to Ladbroke Grove to also help out the 18.
36: daytime service withdrawn between Paddington and Queen’s Park. Daytime service diverted to Paddington Basin via Bishop’s Bridge Road, Harrow Road and North Wharf Road. To give Paddington Basin a bus link again.
65: withdrawn between Ham and Kingston.
71: extended from Kingston to Richmond via route 65 to George Street, The Quadrant, The Square, Eton Street, Paradise Road, Church Terrace and Wakefield Road. To maintain links lost by the 65.
110: withdrawn between Richmond Road and Hounslow. Diverted to Kingston via Richmond Road, Twickenham, King Street, Cross Deep, Strawberry Vale, Twickenham Road, Manor Road, Kingston Road and route 285 to Kingston. Extended from Hammersmith to Paddington via route 23 to Paddington. To maintain links lost by the 23 and to link Kingston with Hammersmith. Converted to double deck.
190: extended from West Brompton to South Kensington via route 430 to South Kensington. To maintain links lost by the 430. Converted to double deck.
218: extended from North Acton to Central Middlesex Hospital via route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440. To link West Acton with Central Middlesex Hospital and Turnham Green.
228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road and Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale.
265: withdrawn between Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge. Diverted to Wandsworth via route 485 to Putney Bridge Road and route 220 to Wandsworth. To maintain links between Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge Road.
283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital and route 226 to Ealing Broadway. To assist the 226 and maintain missing links by the 228.
332: extended from Paddington to Acton High Street via Bishop’s Bridge Road, Eastbourne Terrace, Craven Road, Sussex Gardens, Westbourne Street, Bayswater Road, route 94 to Shepherds Bush, route 207 to Acton High Street and Market Place. To link Acton with Kilburn and Paddington.
414: extended from Marble Arch to Willesden Bus Garage via route 6 to Willesden. To maintain links lost by the 6 and to link Willesden with South London.
419: extended from Richmond to Hounslow via route 110. Withdrawn between Castlenau and Roehampton. Diverted to Hammersmith with Hammersmith Bridge and route 72 to Hammersmith (once the bridge is fixed) To link Barnes with Hounslow.
430: withdrawn between Fulham Palace Road and South Kensington. Diverted to Brook Green via route 220 to Brook Green. To assist the 220.
440: withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Withdrawn between Harrow Road and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Harrow via route 182 to Harrow. Converted to double deck operation. To link Wembley and Northwick Park Hospital with Central Middlesex Hospital, Acton and Hammersmith.
X18: running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley Central and 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182.
X65: running between Kingston and Ealing Broadway via route 65. To asset the 65.
N6: extended to Brent Park Tesco’s via route 297 to Neasden Underpass and route 332 to Brent Park.
N7: extended from Oxford Circus to Aldwych. To link Ladbroke Grove and Paddington with Trafalgar Square and Aldwych.
N33: extended from Hammersmith to Paddington via route 23 to Paddington. Rerouted between Hammersmith and Barnes Station via route 419 to Church Road and route 533 to Hammersmith. To provide Castlenau with a night service.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 5:14:33 GMT
6: extended from Aldwych to London Bridge via route 15 to Canon Street and route 17 to London Bridge. Daytime service between Edgware Road and Willesden Bus Garage. Daytime service diverted to Queen’s Park via route 36 to Queen’s Park. To link Paddington and Marble Arch with London Bridge. 18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. To maintain link lost by the 440. 23: rerouted between Paddington and Marble Arch via Eastbourne Terrace, Craven Road, Sussex Gardens, Westbourne Street and route 94 to Marble Arch. Withdrawn between Marble Arch and Hammersmith. Withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Sudbury via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, 206 to Brent Park and 92 to Sudbury. To link Wembley and Harlesden to Ladbroke Grove to also help out the 18: 36: daytime service withdrawn between Paddington and Queen’s Park. Daytime service diverted to Paddington Basin via Bishop’s Bridge Road, Harrow Road and North Wharf Road. To give Paddington Basin a bus link again. 65: withdrawn between Ham and Kingston. 71: extended from Kingston to Richmond via route 65 to George Street, The Quadrant, The Square, Eton Street, Paradise Road, Church Terrace and Wakefield Road. To maintain links lost by the 65. 110: withdrawn between Richmond Road and Hounslow. Diverted to Kingston via Richmond Road, Twickenham, King Street, Cross Deep, Strawberry Vale, Twickenham Road, Manor Road, Kingston Road and route 285 to Kingston. Extended from Hammersmith to Paddington via route 23 to Paddington. To maintain links lost by the 23 and to link Kingston with Hammersmith. Converted to double deck. 190: extended from West Brompton to South Kensington via route 430 to South Kensington. To maintain links lost by the 430. Converted to double deck. 218: extended from North Acton to Central Middlesex Hospital via route 440 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440. To link West Acton with Central Middlesex Hospital and Turnham Green. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road and Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale. 265: withdrawn between Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge. Diverted to Wandsworth via route 485 to Putney Bridge Road and route 220 to Wandsworth. To maintain links between Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge Road. 283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital and route 226 to Ealing Broadway. To assist the 226 and maintain missing links by the 228. 332: extended from Paddington to Acton High Street via Bishop’s Bridge Road, Eastbourne Terrace, Craven Road, Sussex Gardens, Westbourne Street, Bayswater Road, route 94 to Shepherds Bush, route 207 to Acton High Street and Market Place. To link Acton with Kilburn and Paddington. 419: extended from Richmond to Hounslow via route 110. Withdrawn between Castlenau and Roehampton. Diverted to Hammersmith with Hammersmith Bridge and route 72 to Hammersmith (once the bridge is fixed) To link Barnes with Hounslow. 430: withdrawn between Fulham Palace Road and South Kensington. Diverted to Brook Green via route 220 to Brook Green. To assist the 220. 440: withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Withdrawn between Harrow Road and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Harrow via route 182 to Harrow. Converted to double deck operation. To link Wembley and Northwick Park Hospital with Central Middlesex Hospital, Acton and Hammersmith. X18: running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley Central and 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182. X65: running between Kingston and Ealing Broadway via route 65. To asset the 65. N6: extended to Brent Park Tesco’s via route 297 to Neasden Underpass and route 332 to Brent Park. N7: extended from Oxford Circus to Aldwych. To link Ladbroke Grove and Paddington with Trafalgar Square and Aldwych. N33: extended from Hammersmith to Paddington via route 23 to Paddington. Rerouted between Hammersmith and Barnes Station via route 419 to Church Road and route 533 to Hammersmith. To provide Castlenau with a night service. Your 110 is even worse than the existing route, I think it wouldn't be able to cope reliably with the traffic hotspots. I also think that there's too much fiddling with the Kingston - Richmond corridor. I think adding the 71 to that area overbusses the corridor. The 23 isn't the best of routes at the moment, but something else should be done to it like reverse the changes and reintroduce the 10. Paddington to Kingston is far too long of a route, even in a Fantasy thread. The 419 is a suitable replacement to the current 110 when Hammersmith Bridge opens but I think the 110 should then become the old 391 |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 10, 2021 9:58:15 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly
219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly.
270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219)
414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 12:16:17 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. How would you extend the 270 to Clapham Junction? If it's via St John's Hill then it could overbus that corridor, with 6 routes at the moment. I think there's enough routes from Wandsworth to Clapham Junction, no need for another. I'd keep the 270 as it is on the Putney Bridge end (removing the 270 from there removes the direct link to Putney Bridge station on Garratt Lane with the 220 and your proposed 414 not stopping directly at the station). Not sure about an extension to Pollards Hill, could work, though I'm not familiar with that area. The 414 you proposed could have some potential but via Wandsworth Bridge instead, starting at South Kensington as you proposed, on its LOR to Fulham Broadway, 306 to Sands End, Wandsworth Bridge, 44 to Tooting Mitre or possibly somewhere else in Tooting. |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 10, 2021 13:23:15 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. How would you extend the 270 to Clapham Junction? If it's via St John's Hill then it could overbus that corridor, with 6 routes at the moment. I think there's enough routes from Wandsworth to Clapham Junction, no need for another. I'd keep the 270 as it is on the Putney Bridge end (removing the 270 from there removes the direct link to Putney Bridge station on Garratt Lane with the 220 and your proposed 414 not stopping directly at the station). Not sure about an extension to Pollards Hill, could work, though I'm not familiar with that area. The 414 you proposed could have some potential but via Wandsworth Bridge instead, starting at South Kensington as you proposed, on its LOR to Fulham Broadway, 306 to Sands End, Wandsworth Bridge, 44 to Tooting Mitre or possibly somewhere else in Tooting. I was thinking more on the round the corner link between Clapham Junction and the section of Garrat Lane between Earlsfield and Wandsworth, which presently has no direct service. However i suppose the 270 could suffice in ending at Wandsworth: East Hill so that more direct 'same stop' transfers are possible at Wandsworth. It's extension to Pollards Hill would provide punters with a direct bus link to Tooting and relatively close to Saint George's Hospital from Garratt Lane...also taking a bit of pressure from the 152 which is the only route between Mitcham and Pollards Hill (although the 118 almost does the same). The 414 would effectively take over the 220 overlapp that the 270 presently does. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2021 15:02:50 GMT
How would you extend the 270 to Clapham Junction? If it's via St John's Hill then it could overbus that corridor, with 6 routes at the moment. I think there's enough routes from Wandsworth to Clapham Junction, no need for another. I'd keep the 270 as it is on the Putney Bridge end (removing the 270 from there removes the direct link to Putney Bridge station on Garratt Lane with the 220 and your proposed 414 not stopping directly at the station). Not sure about an extension to Pollards Hill, could work, though I'm not familiar with that area. The 414 you proposed could have some potential but via Wandsworth Bridge instead, starting at South Kensington as you proposed, on its LOR to Fulham Broadway, 306 to Sands End, Wandsworth Bridge, 44 to Tooting Mitre or possibly somewhere else in Tooting. I was thinking more on the round the corner link between Clapham Junction and the section of Garrat Lane between Earlsfield and Wandsworth, which presently has no direct service. However i suppose the 270 could suffice in ending at Wandsworth: East Hill so that more direct 'same stop' transfers are possible at Wandsworth. It's extension to Pollards Hill would provide punters with a direct bus link to Tooting and relatively close to Saint George's Hospital from Garratt Lane...also taking a bit of pressure from the 152 which is the only route between Mitcham and Pollards Hill (although the 118 almost does the same). The 414 would effectively take over the 220 overlapp that the 270 presently does. Big fan of these ideas.
I always thought if another route were to take on the Wandsworth to Summerstown section the 45 would seem a better idea extended from Clapham Park through Clapham South, down the G1 & then up via the 44 to Wandsworth. But nonetheless a great idea. |
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Post by abellion on Sept 10, 2021 17:17:14 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. I like the idea of linking Pollards Hill to Tooting and St George's. Would the 219 go via the 156 or 344 routing? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 10, 2021 18:43:22 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 152: Would hit too many traffic hotspots and would suffer from huge reliability problems. 219: I don’t think there needs to be another Clapham Junction to Battersea link. The 156 and 344 are both sufficient, plus interchange is fairly easy from the 77/87 to the 137/452, both of which stop a stones throw from BPS. I think it would be far more valuable to reroute the 219 via Wimbledon Stadium to provide additional links to tube and rail links for Plough Lane visitors. 270: Really doesn’t need to be another link to Clapham Junction up West Hill, way overbussed as it is. 414: There isn’t a suitable turnaround at the Mitre, you’d probably have to go to Tooting Station. Could suffer reliability issues and if it remains, better as a short hopper route to aid reliability on the 14. |
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