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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2021 19:00:41 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 152: Would hit too many traffic hotspots and would suffer from huge reliability problems. 219: I don’t think there needs to be another Clapham Junction to Battersea link. The 156 and 344 are both sufficient, plus interchange is fairly easy from the 77/87 to the 137/452, both of which stop a stones throw from BPS. I think it would be far more valuable to reroute the 219 via Wimbledon Stadium to provide additional links to tube and rail links for Plough Lane visitors. 270: Really doesn’t need to be another link to Clapham Junction up West Hill, way overbussed as it is. 414: There isn’t a suitable turnaround at the Mitre, you’d probably have to go to Tooting Station. Could suffer reliability issues and if it remains, better as a short hopper route to aid reliability on the 14. Could instead of the 152 being extended the 270 suffices as a Thornton Heath Pond to Wandsworth route with the 152 left alone?
The 414 could always terminate at Tooting Broadway providing stand space is okay, if not the 333 could always be sent over to St George's?
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 10, 2021 19:15:05 GMT
152: Would hit too many traffic hotspots and would suffer from huge reliability problems. 219: I don’t think there needs to be another Clapham Junction to Battersea link. The 156 and 344 are both sufficient, plus interchange is fairly easy from the 77/87 to the 137/452, both of which stop a stones throw from BPS. I think it would be far more valuable to reroute the 219 via Wimbledon Stadium to provide additional links to tube and rail links for Plough Lane visitors. 270: Really doesn’t need to be another link to Clapham Junction up West Hill, way overbussed as it is. 414: There isn’t a suitable turnaround at the Mitre, you’d probably have to go to Tooting Station. Could suffer reliability issues and if it remains, better as a short hopper route to aid reliability on the 14. Could instead of the 152 being extended the 270 suffices as a Thornton Heath Pond to Wandsworth route with the 152 left alone?
The 414 could always terminate at Tooting Broadway providing stand space is okay, if not the 333 could always be sent over to St George's?
There isn’t much space at St George’s either, you can sometimes see 155s parked on Tooting High Street. I also don’t think the Tooting Broadway stand could support a route like the 414 is it was Tooting to South Kensington. I reckon it would need a PVR of at least 20+ to stay viable. I don’t hate the idea of extending the 270 to Pollards Hill, the link to Tooting doesn’t exist right now and it would provide an alternative in Mitcham to the 152. Otherwise I would leave the 152 alone and leave the Putney end of the 270 as is. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 10, 2021 19:23:37 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. The 152 extension would be useful but I'm not sure about the rest. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 19:35:28 GMT
152 extended from New Malden to Kingston, Cromwell Road bus station, (via 131) and cut back from Pollards Hill to Mitcham Eastfields Station (new stand created). To link Kingston with Mitcham.
200 extended from Mitcham to Pollards Hill via current 152. Reason being the 200 over the 270 is that you'll have to reroute the 270 away from Madiera Road, removing the only bus route linking the Mitcham Common area to places beyond Tooting.
If stand space is limited, route 411 will be extended to Kingston Hospital. To link Hampton Court with Kingston Hospital (to create more hospital links across the river from Kingston)
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Post by abellion on Sept 10, 2021 19:57:59 GMT
152 extended from New Malden to Kingston, Cromwell Road bus station, (via 131) and cut back from Pollards Hill to Mitcham Eastfields Station (new stand created). To link Kingston with Mitcham. 200 extended from Mitcham to Pollards Hill via current 152. Reason being the 200 over the 270 is that you'll have to reroute the 270 away from Madiera Road, removing the only bus route linking the Mitcham Common area to places beyond Tooting. If stand space is limited, route 411 will be extended to Kingston Hospital. To link Hampton Court with Kingston Hospital (to create more hospital links across the river from Kingston) 355 goes beyond Tooting from Madeira Road I think extending the 152 at the Pollards Hill end is a better fantasy change though from M1104's post |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 10, 2021 19:59:21 GMT
152 extended from New Malden to Kingston, Cromwell Road bus station, (via 131) and cut back from Pollards Hill to Mitcham Eastfields Station (new stand created). To link Kingston with Mitcham. 200 extended from Mitcham to Pollards Hill via current 152. Reason being the 200 over the 270 is that you'll have to reroute the 270 away from Madiera Road, removing the only bus route linking the Mitcham Common area to places beyond Tooting. If stand space is limited, route 411 will be extended to Kingston Hospital. To link Hampton Court with Kingston Hospital (to create more hospital links across the river from Kingston) Unless I'm missing something the 270 would go down Commonside East only missing out the Toby Carvery, so again I think the 270 is still the better option. |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 10, 2021 22:19:20 GMT
I like the idea of linking Pollards Hill to Tooting and St George's. Would the 219 go via the 156 or 344 routing? I'd probably have it go via 344 to give Wimbledon and Merton areas more direct links with more of the Battersea Park area. Also avoids two routes along Queenstown Road and Lavender Hill with the same Wimbledon terminus. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 4:54:50 GMT
152 extended from New Malden to Kingston, Cromwell Road bus station, (via 131) and cut back from Pollards Hill to Mitcham Eastfields Station (new stand created). To link Kingston with Mitcham. 200 extended from Mitcham to Pollards Hill via current 152. Reason being the 200 over the 270 is that you'll have to reroute the 270 away from Madiera Road, removing the only bus route linking the Mitcham Common area to places beyond Tooting. If stand space is limited, route 411 will be extended to Kingston Hospital. To link Hampton Court with Kingston Hospital (to create more hospital links across the river from Kingston) 355 goes beyond Tooting from Madeira Road I think extending the 152 at the Pollards Hill end is a better fantasy change though from M1104's post It does but I was more thinking of the areas the 270 serves like Earlsfield and Wandsworth |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 11, 2021 8:25:53 GMT
355 goes beyond Tooting from Madeira Road I think extending the 152 at the Pollards Hill end is a better fantasy change though from M1104's post It does but I was more thinking of the areas the 270 serves like Earlsfield and Wandsworth Sorry but what exactly is there except a Toby Carvery? No houses, it's just green space. |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 11, 2021 12:32:49 GMT
152: Extend beyond Pollards Hill to Thornton Heath Pond or Clock Tower with conversion to DDs. Route becomes New Malden to Thornton Heath with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly 219: Extend beyond Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station with conversion to DDs, pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 270: Withdrawn between Wandsworth and Putney Bridge and reroute at Wandsworth to Clapham Junction. On the Mitcham end reroute at Three King's Pond to extend via Commonside East, Manor Way and Wide Way to Pollards Hill. Route becomes Pollards Hill to Clapham Junction with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. (this proposal being in conjunction with those of the 152 and 219) 414: Withdrawn between South Kensington and Marble Arch/Madia Hill. Extend beyond Putney Bridge to Tooting: Mitre. Route becomes Tooting: Mitre to South Kensington with pvr and scheduling adjusted accordingly. 152: Would hit too many traffic hotspots and would suffer from huge reliability problems. 219: I don’t think there needs to be another Clapham Junction to Battersea link. The 156 and 344 are both sufficient, plus interchange is fairly easy from the 77/87 to the 137/452, both of which stop a stones throw from BPS. I think it would be far more valuable to reroute the 219 via Wimbledon Stadium to provide additional links to tube and rail links for Plough Lane visitors. 270: Really doesn’t need to be another link to Clapham Junction up West Hill, way overbussed as it is. 414: There isn’t a suitable turnaround at the Mitre, you’d probably have to go to Tooting Station. Could suffer reliability issues and if it remains, better as a short hopper route to aid reliability on the 14. 219: The extension to Battersea Power Station is primarily to have a bus service start from where the NLE ends, which only the 436 does but not so in the continuing direction towards Clapham Junction. 270: Fair enough! Wandsworth: Eastside has a redundant stand, allowing the 270 to then reroute via Wandsworth Town Hall for more direct interchange with routes to and from Clapham Junction. 414: I believe the Tooting: Mitre stand is still there and that the relevant side roads are still accessible for buses to get around back to Mitcham Road. In saying that i haven't been specifically within those side roads since before the first lockdown. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 11, 2021 14:46:16 GMT
152: Would hit too many traffic hotspots and would suffer from huge reliability problems. 219: I don’t think there needs to be another Clapham Junction to Battersea link. The 156 and 344 are both sufficient, plus interchange is fairly easy from the 77/87 to the 137/452, both of which stop a stones throw from BPS. I think it would be far more valuable to reroute the 219 via Wimbledon Stadium to provide additional links to tube and rail links for Plough Lane visitors. 270: Really doesn’t need to be another link to Clapham Junction up West Hill, way overbussed as it is. 414: There isn’t a suitable turnaround at the Mitre, you’d probably have to go to Tooting Station. Could suffer reliability issues and if it remains, better as a short hopper route to aid reliability on the 14. 219: The extension to Battersea Power Station is primarily to have a bus service start from where the NLE ends, which only the 436 does but not so in the continuing direction towards Clapham Junction. 270: Fair enough, Wandsworth: Eastside has a redundant stand, allowing the 270 to then reroute via Wandsworth Town Hall for more direct interchange with routes to and from Clapham Junction. 414: I believe The Tooting: Mitre stand is still there and that the relevant side roads are still accessible for buses to get around back to Mitcham Road. In saying that i haven't been specifically within those side roads since before the first lockdown. Good point on the stands at The Mitre.
Could the 414 always run at an every 12 minute frequency between South Kensington & Tooting, The Mitre or would that be too low? It would mean a reduction of 2.5bph on the Fulham Road & a reduction of 1bph between Putney and Wandsworth, but to avoid overbussing Wandsworth to Tooting could this be a good way of going about it? The PVR would be about 13 if you add in adequate stand time.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 11, 2021 15:23:50 GMT
152: Would hit too many traffic hotspots and would suffer from huge reliability problems. 219: I don’t think there needs to be another Clapham Junction to Battersea link. The 156 and 344 are both sufficient, plus interchange is fairly easy from the 77/87 to the 137/452, both of which stop a stones throw from BPS. I think it would be far more valuable to reroute the 219 via Wimbledon Stadium to provide additional links to tube and rail links for Plough Lane visitors. 270: Really doesn’t need to be another link to Clapham Junction up West Hill, way overbussed as it is. 414: There isn’t a suitable turnaround at the Mitre, you’d probably have to go to Tooting Station. Could suffer reliability issues and if it remains, better as a short hopper route to aid reliability on the 14. 219: The extension to Battersea Power Station is primarily to have a bus service start from where the NLE ends, which only the 436 does but not so in the continuing direction towards Clapham Junction. 270: Fair enough, Wandsworth: Eastside has a redundant stand, allowing the 270 to then reroute via Wandsworth Town Hall for more direct interchange with routes to and from Clapham Junction. 414: I believe The Tooting: Mitre stand is still there and that the relevant side roads are still accessible for buses to get around back to Mitcham Road. In saying that i haven't been specifically within those side roads since before the first lockdown. Let’s not forget about the 156 and 344, both of which stop directly outside the NLE at Battersea Power Station and both go to Clapham Junction. I’ll give it to you both don’t start there but together they will form adequate capacity when you consider all of the routes just a few minutes walk away. I believe the 270 is valuable in having a route which doesn’t encounter too many traffic spots and is reasonably short supporting the 220 between Wandsworth and Putney as opposed to two relatively longer services that do, or would in the case of the 414, hit heavy traffic. |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 11, 2021 15:34:36 GMT
219: The extension to Battersea Power Station is primarily to have a bus service start from where the NLE ends, which only the 436 does but not so in the continuing direction towards Clapham Junction. 270: Fair enough, Wandsworth: Eastside has a redundant stand, allowing the 270 to then reroute via Wandsworth Town Hall for more direct interchange with routes to and from Clapham Junction. 414: I believe The Tooting: Mitre stand is still there and that the relevant side roads are still accessible for buses to get around back to Mitcham Road. In saying that i haven't been specifically within those side roads since before the first lockdown. Good point on the stands at The Mitre.
Could the 414 always run at an every 12 minute frequency between South Kensington & Tooting, The Mitre or would that be too low? It would mean a reduction of 2.5bph on the Fulham Road & a reduction of 1bph between Putney and Wandsworth, but to avoid overbussing Wandsworth to Tooting could this be a good way of going about it? The PVR would be about 13 if you add in adequate stand time.
Going by your details I would probably suggest making the 414 run every 10 minutes at the cost of reducing the 270's frequency from 10 to 12 minutes. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 11, 2021 17:18:56 GMT
Good point on the stands at The Mitre.
Could the 414 always run at an every 12 minute frequency between South Kensington & Tooting, The Mitre or would that be too low? It would mean a reduction of 2.5bph on the Fulham Road & a reduction of 1bph between Putney and Wandsworth, but to avoid overbussing Wandsworth to Tooting could this be a good way of going about it? The PVR would be about 13 if you add in adequate stand time.
Going by your details I would probably suggest making the 414 run every 10 minutes at the cost of reducing the 270's frequency from 10 to 12 minutes.  |
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Post by abellion on Sept 11, 2021 18:43:54 GMT
Good point on the stands at The Mitre.
Could the 414 always run at an every 12 minute frequency between South Kensington & Tooting, The Mitre or would that be too low? It would mean a reduction of 2.5bph on the Fulham Road & a reduction of 1bph between Putney and Wandsworth, but to avoid overbussing Wandsworth to Tooting could this be a good way of going about it? The PVR would be about 13 if you add in adequate stand time.
Going by your details I would probably suggest making the 414 run every 10 minutes at the cost of reducing the 270's frequency from 10 to 12 minutes. This could work, having an entire extra route on Garratt Lane can make up for the 270 being cut in frequency. From my use Putney - Wandsworth isn't too busy - plus 220 runs along there and 28 does Wandsworth - Fulham - so the 44/270/414 together should be adequate |
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