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Post by rjbarrett5 on Sept 20, 2021 23:09:23 GMT
Hello everyone, this is my first post so please feel free to give me criticisms where due, bearing that in mind.
171 - extended to Bromley North via route 208. This creates links from Elephant, Camberwell, Peckham, NX etc to Bromley. However, there is an obvious issue with length and thus reliability. Most importantly, this will create stand space for
160 - Diverted to stand at TL. This just makes too much sense.
89 - extended to Peckham via N89 however curtailed to Bexleyheath, bus garage or shopping centre. Whichever one has more space. This is probably the worst suggestion i have come up with but as a person who lives in the Peckham area, it would be a very nice addition to the lacklustre bus station.
269 - extended to Slade Green, potentially with another bus such as B15. Stand space is the only reason why.
129 - extended to Peckham via 177 to Queen’s Road, then deviates to Nunhead via Lausanne Road, Evelina Road, Nunhead Lane, Peckham Rye, Rye Lane and then the bus station. This or an extension for 78 to NX sainsbury’s would be welcomed.
Last one: 36 - extended to the sainsbury’s. This one irritates me as it is literally one more stop. What’s worse is that 36 sometimes runs empty to the Sainsbury’s to be able to enter the bus garage. Quite frustrating.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 21, 2021 7:39:23 GMT
Hello everyone, this is my first post so please feel free to give me criticisms where due, bearing that in mind. 171 - extended to Bromley North via route 208. This creates links from Elephant, Camberwell, Peckham, NX etc to Bromley. However, there is an obvious issue with length and thus reliability. Most importantly, this will create stand space for 160 - Diverted to stand at TL. This just makes too much sense. 89 - extended to Peckham via N89 however curtailed to Bexleyheath, bus garage or shopping centre. Whichever one has more space. This is probably the worst suggestion i have come up with but as a person who lives in the Peckham area, it would be a very nice addition to the lacklustre bus station. 269 - extended to Slade Green, potentially with another bus such as B15. Stand space is the only reason why. 129 - extended to Peckham via 177 to Queen’s Road, then deviates to Nunhead via Lausanne Road, Evelina Road, Nunhead Lane, Peckham Rye, Rye Lane and then the bus station. This or an extension for 78 to NX sainsbury’s would be welcomed. Last one: 36 - extended to the sainsbury’s. This one irritates me as it is literally one more stop. What’s worse is that 36 sometimes runs empty to the Sainsbury’s to be able to enter the bus garage. Quite frustrating. The 171 to Bromley would be useful replacing the 320 but stand space in Bromley is the problem. To be honest I can't see any sense in rerouting the 160 to TL and subsequently no longer serving the Lewisham Town Hall stops, passenger requirements should come before operational convenience. I can't see any need to extend the 89 to Peckham, the 136 and 436 are sufficient and no spare stand space at Peckham anyway. Extending the 78 to New Cross Sainsburys would be useful but I'm not sure about the 36. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 21, 2021 11:04:37 GMT
Hello everyone, this is my first post so please feel free to give me criticisms where due, bearing that in mind. 171 - extended to Bromley North via route 208. This creates links from Elephant, Camberwell, Peckham, NX etc to Bromley. However, there is an obvious issue with length and thus reliability. Most importantly, this will create stand space for 160 - Diverted to stand at TL. This just makes too much sense. 89 - extended to Peckham via N89 however curtailed to Bexleyheath, bus garage or shopping centre. Whichever one has more space. This is probably the worst suggestion i have come up with but as a person who lives in the Peckham area, it would be a very nice addition to the lacklustre bus station. 269 - extended to Slade Green, potentially with another bus such as B15. Stand space is the only reason why. 129 - extended to Peckham via 177 to Queen’s Road, then deviates to Nunhead via Lausanne Road, Evelina Road, Nunhead Lane, Peckham Rye, Rye Lane and then the bus station. This or an extension for 78 to NX sainsbury’s would be welcomed. Last one: 36 - extended to the sainsbury’s. This one irritates me as it is literally one more stop. What’s worse is that 36 sometimes runs empty to the Sainsbury’s to be able to enter the bus garage. Quite frustrating. The 171 to Bromley would be useful replacing the 320 but stand space in Bromley is the problem The 171 to Bromley would be rather lengthy in terms of mileage but Catford to Bromley doesn’t see a great deal of traffic issues - it generally flows quite well. As you say, stand space could prove an issue but I think pushing the 126 back down to Simpsons Road frees up the Ringers Road stand. I was thinking the other day when I was in a queue of six buses on Kentish Way with a further four on the other side of the road that Bromley North to Bromley South is very overbussed so I’d consider cutting a couple of routes back to Bromley South - possibly the 246 and the 367. I’d also send the 138 and 352 up to the Plaistow Green stand. This would free up space at Bromley North for the 171 and, in keeping with reducing buses through Bromley, a curtailed 358 although I’m unsure how to replace the Bromley to Orpington section of the 358 Essentially, I do think a review of routes around Bromley is needed - there is so much duplication |
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Post by busboy17 on Sept 21, 2021 12:09:35 GMT
The 171 to Bromley would be useful replacing the 320 but stand space in Bromley is the problem The 171 to Bromley would be rather lengthy in terms of mileage but Catford to Bromley doesn’t see a great deal of traffic issues - it generally flows quite well. As you say, stand space could prove an issue but I think pushing the 126 back down to Simpsons Road frees up the Ringers Road stand. I was thinking the other day when I was in a queue of six buses on Kentish Way with a further four on the other side of the road that Bromley North to Bromley South is very overbussed so I’d consider cutting a couple of routes back to Bromley South - possibly the 246 and the 367. I’d also send the 138 and 352 up to the Plaistow Green stand. This would free up space at Bromley North for the 171 and, in keeping with reducing buses through Bromley, a curtailed 358 although I’m unsure how to replace the Bromley to Orpington section of the 358 Essentially, I do think a review of routes around Bromley is needed - there is so much duplication I’d send the 199 over the 171 |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2021 13:03:21 GMT
The 171 to Bromley would be useful replacing the 320 but stand space in Bromley is the problem The 171 to Bromley would be rather lengthy in terms of mileage but Catford to Bromley doesn’t see a great deal of traffic issues - it generally flows quite well. As you say, stand space could prove an issue but I think pushing the 126 back down to Simpsons Road frees up the Ringers Road stand. I was thinking the other day when I was in a queue of six buses on Kentish Way with a further four on the other side of the road that Bromley North to Bromley South is very overbussed so I’d consider cutting a couple of routes back to Bromley South - possibly the 246 and the 367. I’d also send the 138 and 352 up to the Plaistow Green stand. This would free up space at Bromley North for the 171 and, in keeping with reducing buses through Bromley, a curtailed 358 although I’m unsure how to replace the Bromley to Orpington section of the 358 Essentially, I do think a review of routes around Bromley is needed - there is so much duplication I like the idea of sending stuff up to Plaistow Green (funnily enough, I did suggest something similar in the withdrawn thread very recently if your interested) but I’m not keen on cutting routes short of the main destination which I’m sure is the pedestrianised part of the high street? It smacks of the stuff they did in Croydon which only increases decline - at some point, some places are going to be ‘over bussed’ but if are to be serious about halting decline of town centres, we need to make them more pro transport friendly not less. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 21, 2021 14:41:31 GMT
The 171 to Bromley would be useful replacing the 320 but stand space in Bromley is the problem The 171 to Bromley would be rather lengthy in terms of mileage but Catford to Bromley doesn’t see a great deal of traffic issues - it generally flows quite well. As you say, stand space could prove an issue but I think pushing the 126 back down to Simpsons Road frees up the Ringers Road stand. I was thinking the other day when I was in a queue of six buses on Kentish Way with a further four on the other side of the road that Bromley North to Bromley South is very overbussed so I’d consider cutting a couple of routes back to Bromley South - possibly the 246 and the 367. I’d also send the 138 and 352 up to the Plaistow Green stand. This would free up space at Bromley North for the 171 and, in keeping with reducing buses through Bromley, a curtailed 358 although I’m unsure how to replace the Bromley to Orpington section of the 358 Essentially, I do think a review of routes around Bromley is needed - there is so much duplication If and when the 126 goes back to Simpson Road I think the 269 should use the Ringers Road stand although I totally agree with you about overbussing and as you say a review is long overdue. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 21, 2021 16:41:27 GMT
The 171 to Bromley would be rather lengthy in terms of mileage but Catford to Bromley doesn’t see a great deal of traffic issues - it generally flows quite well. As you say, stand space could prove an issue but I think pushing the 126 back down to Simpsons Road frees up the Ringers Road stand. I was thinking the other day when I was in a queue of six buses on Kentish Way with a further four on the other side of the road that Bromley North to Bromley South is very overbussed so I’d consider cutting a couple of routes back to Bromley South - possibly the 246 and the 367. I’d also send the 138 and 352 up to the Plaistow Green stand. This would free up space at Bromley North for the 171 and, in keeping with reducing buses through Bromley, a curtailed 358 although I’m unsure how to replace the Bromley to Orpington section of the 358 Essentially, I do think a review of routes around Bromley is needed - there is so much duplication I like the idea of sending stuff up to Plaistow Green (funnily enough, I did suggest something similar in the withdrawn thread very recently if your interested) but I’m not keen on cutting routes short of the main destination which I’m sure is the pedestrianised part of the high street? It smacks of the stuff they did in Croydon which only increases decline - at some point, some places are going to be ‘over bussed’ but if are to be serious about halting decline of town centres, we need to make them more pro transport friendly not less. I did see your suggestions with regard to Plaistow Green - I’ve advocated it for a while now. I think it could also be worth investigating using Widmore Green as a terminus using Shawfield Park to turn around as was the case with the old ‘Bickley’ turn on the 227 many, many years ago I agree that the pedestrianised part of the High Street and the Glades is the main shopping destination for Bromley. However, in the case of the 246 we rarely carry many people beyond Bromley South Station and those that we do carry beyond that point are usually off at the next stop. If the 246 terminated at Ringers Road that is very close to the main shopping area and those who do want further stops in Bromley can either board an alternative service at Bromley South or an alternative service further back on the route. I only suggested the 367 as well because I tend to find I follow one of those through Bromley and they seem to carry as many people through Bromley as we do ie very, very few Obviously direct links are preferred but there does need to be a streamlining of services and you cannot run routes to the benefit of a handful of people |
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Post by Paul on Sept 21, 2021 16:42:55 GMT
The 171 to Bromley would be rather lengthy in terms of mileage but Catford to Bromley doesn’t see a great deal of traffic issues - it generally flows quite well. As you say, stand space could prove an issue but I think pushing the 126 back down to Simpsons Road frees up the Ringers Road stand. I was thinking the other day when I was in a queue of six buses on Kentish Way with a further four on the other side of the road that Bromley North to Bromley South is very overbussed so I’d consider cutting a couple of routes back to Bromley South - possibly the 246 and the 367. I’d also send the 138 and 352 up to the Plaistow Green stand. This would free up space at Bromley North for the 171 and, in keeping with reducing buses through Bromley, a curtailed 358 although I’m unsure how to replace the Bromley to Orpington section of the 358 Essentially, I do think a review of routes around Bromley is needed - there is so much duplication If and when the 126 goes back to Simpson Road I think the 269 should use the Ringers Road stand although I totally agree with you about overbussing and as you say a review is long overdue. Whilst serving Bromley in a better way would be better for the 269 passengers it does just add to the number of buses using Kentish Way and the High Street |
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Post by mattykobs on Sept 21, 2021 17:53:30 GMT
Hello! This is my first post here! I've been a lurker for a while (and a few of you have actually used my photos!) and here's a few ideas I've had. 1) A new 24-hour route linking Erith and Lewisham via Northumberland Heath, West Heath, East Wickham, Plumstead Common, Woolwich, Charlton Village and Blackheath. It would follow the old 53 route from the 60's from Erith to Woolwich) (from Erith to Woolwich through Carlton Road, Brook Street, Parsonage Manorway, Bedonwell Road, Okehampton Crescent, Wickham Lane, Kings Highway, The Slade, Plumstead Common Road, Sandy Hill Road, I'm sure you all know the way from here). It then follows the 54 to Lewisham, but doesn't serve Vanbrugh Park or Prince of Charles Road, instead following the 108 from Blackheath to Lewisham. Would come at a frequency of every 7 minutes. 2) Another 24 hour route from Slade Green to North Greenwich via Erith, Lower Belvedere, Abbey Wood (Would not serve the main station entrance, but instead do a little loop to serve the Gayton Road entrance through the underpass), Bostall Heath, Plumstead Corner, Woolwich (would serve Beresford Street both ways), Charlton and Millenium Village. It would also come at a frequency of 7 minutes. What the routes will look like Erith to Lewisham Route: wikiroutes.info/en/idea/50589Slade Green to North Greenwich Route: wikiroutes.info/en/idea/50591 |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 21, 2021 18:18:30 GMT
If and when the 126 goes back to Simpson Road I think the 269 should use the Ringers Road stand although I totally agree with you about overbussing and as you say a review is long overdue. Whilst serving Bromley in a better way would be better for the 269 passengers it does just add to the number of buses using Kentish Way and the High Street Yes and I have wondered before about the 61 and 146 terminating at Ringers Road? The 261 is an alternative to and from Bromley North and the 146 was mainly for reliability reasons. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 22, 2021 6:18:58 GMT
Some fantasy ideas:
Route 143: Upgraded to an every 10 minutes frequency with DDs in the peaks.
Route 143D: Discontinued
Route 643: Dropped to 1 journey each way
Route 268: Extended from Finchley Road O2 Centre to West Hampstead using a bus gate along Blackburn Road.
Route 316: Upgraded to DDs in the peaks.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 22, 2021 8:58:25 GMT
Hello everyone, this is my first post so please feel free to give me criticisms where due, bearing that in mind. 171 - extended to Bromley North via route 208. This creates links from Elephant, Camberwell, Peckham, NX etc to Bromley. However, there is an obvious issue with length and thus reliability. Most importantly, this will create stand space for 160 - Diverted to stand at TL. This just makes too much sense. 89 - extended to Peckham via N89 however curtailed to Bexleyheath, bus garage or shopping centre. Whichever one has more space. This is probably the worst suggestion i have come up with but as a person who lives in the Peckham area, it would be a very nice addition to the lacklustre bus station. 269 - extended to Slade Green, potentially with another bus such as B15. Stand space is the only reason why. 129 - extended to Peckham via 177 to Queen’s Road, then deviates to Nunhead via Lausanne Road, Evelina Road, Nunhead Lane, Peckham Rye, Rye Lane and then the bus station. This or an extension for 78 to NX sainsbury’s would be welcomed. Last one: 36 - extended to the sainsbury’s. This one irritates me as it is literally one more stop. What’s worse is that 36 sometimes runs empty to the Sainsbury’s to be able to enter the bus garage. Quite frustrating. 171 : probably makes it too long, yes 160 : good if there’s space 89/269 : 269 isn’t really a good replacement for the 89 : better would be a double deck B16 with 89 frequencies - this retains a lot of the 89 links from Slade Green/Northumberland Heath. You could then look at an 89 extension west, but unsure that Peckham is the right choice of destination. |
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Post by dashing0ne on Sept 23, 2021 6:13:48 GMT
Some fantasy ideas: Route 143: Upgraded to an every 10 minutes frequency with DDs in the peaks. Route 143D: Discontinued Route 643: Dropped to 1 journey each way Route 268: Extended from Finchley Road O2 Centre to West Hampstead using a bus gate along Blackburn Road. Route 316: Upgraded to DDs in the peaks. 143 can't have deckers due to residents. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 23, 2021 6:15:09 GMT
Some fantasy ideas: Route 143: Upgraded to an every 10 minutes frequency with DDs in the peaks. Route 143D: Discontinued Route 643: Dropped to 1 journey each way Route 268: Extended from Finchley Road O2 Centre to West Hampstead using a bus gate along Blackburn Road. Route 316: Upgraded to DDs in the peaks. 143 can't have deckers due to residents. And the thread is called fantasy |
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Post by dashing0ne on Sept 23, 2021 6:33:28 GMT
143 can't have deckers due to residents. And the thread is called fantasy Maybe I took that a bit too seriously. But I and many others dream and yearn for deckers on the 143 and 316. |
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