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Post by rif153 on Sept 30, 2019 14:40:09 GMT
What will happen to the Surrey Quays Shopping Centre? I really hope it isn't rebuilt, or if it is that buses no longer serve it because it really pees me off having to waste ages serving the shopping centre when often only a few people get on. It would be a backwards step if buses stopped serving the shopping centre thus making it less accessible to less able passengers. I'm arguing from a selfish point of view. I wouldn't mind buses serving the shopping centre as much if there were some bus priority or a better road layout to facilitate it.
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Post by beaver14uk on Sept 30, 2019 17:09:01 GMT
yes with trees at the hospital quote author="@lukeclary" source="/post/528540/thread" timestamp="1569771600"] I have several new ideas, with the extension of the 129 and the proposed changes in Greenwich here’s what I would do To routes 129, 180, 177 & 286 129: Extend it beyond Lewisham to Sydenham, this will aide the overcrowded 75, the most direct route between Lewisham & Sydenham as the 122 is slightly more circuitous, this would link Sydenham with the Docklands, I think this would more direct and quicker than a hypothetical 202 extension. 180: Be kept as it is 177: Rerouted at Greenwich to Waterloo via Creek Road, Deptford, Surrey Quays, Canada Water, Elephant & Castle then Waterloo 286: Extended to Peckham via the 177, Double Decked. That is exactly what SE London needs at the moment! Isn't there an issue at Queen Mary's with DDs?[/quote]
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Post by rif153 on Oct 3, 2019 18:53:56 GMT
267 Extended from Fulwell to Teddington. To link Teddington to Brentford and make life easier for me.
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Post by route53 on Oct 9, 2019 18:01:20 GMT
Sorry to bang on about the 180 ;-) but I would suggest this: The 180 becomes a Lewisham-Woolwich only route and you can have the eastern section (Charlton to Erith, plus the NG bit) as the 480.
That way the the valuable link between Lewisham-Greenwich-Woolwich is maintained while ferrying Erith residents to North Greenwich by this new 480 (even though Abbey Wood CrossRail is right on Erith’s doorstep)
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 9, 2019 18:17:54 GMT
237 extended from Hounslow Heath to Dukes Green Tesco. Relief route for routes 117 and 235 which really need 11.5m buses.
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Post by TE920 on Oct 13, 2019 0:18:09 GMT
My Fantasy:
Route 1: Withdrawn Holborn and Tottenham Court Road. Extended from Holborn to London Zoo via Euston, Great Portland Street, London Zoo.
Route 7: Withdrawn North Pole Road to East Acton. Withdrawn Marble Arch to Oxford Circus. Extended North Pole Road to Wembley Central or Stadium via Scrubs Lane, Harlesden, Stonebridge Park.
Route 10: Reintroduced. Withdrawn Oxford Circus and Kings Cross.
Route 17: Extended London Bridge to Potentially Old Kent Road 1 Station (Bakerloo Line Extension if it goes ahead) via Borough/Great Dover Street
Route 23: Reintroduce Original Route; Westbourne Park - Aldwych/Liverpool Street.
Route 27: Reintroduce Hammersmith to Chiswick.
Route 36: Withdrawn between Harrow Road; Elgin Avenue and Queens Park.
Route 39: Extend Clapham Junction to Battersea Power Station via Lavender Hill, Wandsworth Road & Patmore Estate. Roadworks on Thessaly Road open to buses only.
Route N52: Extend to Vauxhall.
Route 168: Extend Old Kent Road to Canada Water via Old Kent Road Asda, South Bermondsey, Surrey Quays & Canada Water.
Route 228: Extend Madia Vale to Queens Park via Route 36.
Route 319: Withdrawn Battersea Bridge and Sloane Square. Extend to South Kensington via Route 345.
Route 345: Withdrawn Battersea Bridge and South Kensington. Extend to Sloane Square via Route 319.
Route 430: Extend South Kensington to Paddington Basin via Route 70 Queensway, Route 94 to Lancaster Gate, Route 46 to Paddington, Route 332 towards Edgware Road and round to Paddington Basin.
Route 436: Withdrawn Battersea Park and Vauxhall. Extend to Sloane Square via Route 452 Vauxhall.
Route 452: Reroute Battersea Park via Nine Elms to Vauxhall.
Route C3: Extend Earls Court Tesco to White City via Warwick Road.
Route H14: Extend Hatch End to Ruislip via Northwood Hills.
Route P5: Extend Patmore Estate to Battersea Power Station. Roadworks Thessaly Road to open for buses only.
Route W19: Extend Walthamstow Argall Avenue to Leyton; Asda
NEW ROUTE:
18X: Harrow Bus Station - Northwick Park Hospital - Sudbury - Wembley Central - Stonebridge Park - Harlesden Tesco - Willesden Junction (Scrubs Lane Side) - Ladbroke Grove - Royal Oak - Edgware Road - Baker Street - Warren Street - Euston - Kings Cross
Express Route stopping at these allocated stops. Only Morning Peak & Evening Peak acting the same as X68.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 13, 2019 10:35:08 GMT
239¹ - Canada Water/Surrey Quays to Notting Hill Gate via 47 to Monument, 15 to Strand, 9 to Kensington Palace and 52 to Notting Hill Gate. Routing includes a direct bus link between London Bridge and the West End, effectively an alternative to the Jubilee Line along that section
N57 - same as 57 but extended from Clapham Park via Kings Avenue and Acre Lane to Brixton
N159² - Oxford Circus to St Leonard's Church then via Mitcham Lane and Streatham Road to Mitcham
¹ - wanted to use 10 but would cause confusion considering the 'old 10' hasn't been gone all that long
² - in conjunction with the proposed extension of the N109 to Marble Arch
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Post by rif153 on Oct 13, 2019 17:34:30 GMT
239¹ - Canada Water/Surrey Quays to Notting Hill Gate via 47 to Monument, 15 to Strand, 9 to Kensington Palace and 52 to Notting Hill Gate. Routing includes a direct bus link between London Bridge and the West End, effectively an alternative to the Jubilee Line along that section N57 - same as 57 but extended from Clapham Park via Kings Avenue and Acre Lane to Brixton N159² - Oxford Circus to St Leonard's Church then via Mitcham Lane and Streatham Road to Mitcham ¹ - wanted to use 10 but would cause confusion considering the 'old 10' hasn't been gone all that long ² - in conjunction with the proposed extension of the N109 to Marble Arch I really like your N57 idea. I've previously considered extending the 57 to Brixton - but it would make the route too long imo. At night it would be a great idea, and the glaring lack of a link from Brixton to Wimbledon is really poor imo.
I also have to say I love your proposed 239, the lack of a proper East-West route like that is terrible.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 13, 2019 20:29:28 GMT
116: Diverted to go into Dukes Green Tesco then back out.
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Post by ibus246 on Oct 13, 2019 22:09:36 GMT
116: Diverted to go into Dukes Green Tesco then back out. From memory, only the 941 has actually entered the grounds/car park?
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Post by M1104 on Oct 14, 2019 10:14:33 GMT
I really like your N57 idea. I've previously considered extending the 57 to Brixton - but it would make the route too long imo. At night it would be a great idea, and the glaring lack of a link from Brixton to Wimbledon is really poor imo.
I also have to say I love your proposed 239, the lack of a proper East-West route like that is terrible.
The 239 idea was a result of when I used to do the 133 where I was very often asked at London Bridge on what bus goes towards the West End. In the early days it used to rattle my mind that there must be a direct bus link only to realise there isn't, which I was actually surprised on especially as the Jubilee Line extension hadn't yet been in operation prior to 1999... and despite it having a tube link now I'm still surprised there isn't a regular direct bus service from such a busy train station. Similar questions were asked when I did the 188 and was at Canada Water, although by then the Jubilee Line was in operation through there. A direct day bus link between the Brixton and Wimbledon areas I reckon could also be ideal, perhaps by swapping the 219 and 355 routings south of Tooting Broadway and converting both to double deckers. This would effectively be Clapham Junction to Mitcham on the 219, re-establishing a direct bus link lost between these two points. The 355 rerouting would also re-establish day bus links between Balham and Colliers Wood, Merton and Wimbledon, a link lost when the 155 was cut back to Tooting back around 1999.
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Post by Gellico on Nov 9, 2019 0:04:06 GMT
64N withdrawn and N109 extended down to New Addington. N53 extend every other via the 99 to Erith since Upper Belvedere is oddly void of a night service. 36X peak hour only starting at Paddington serving all stops to Vauxhall then only principle stops onwards down to Lewisham & through to Bellingham. Gives Camberwell better links since rail is poor and takes pressure off other services. 53X peak hour only Piccadilly Circus - Woolwich all stops to Waterloo, pick up only at E&C then limited stop down Old Kent Road onwards - withdrawn upon introduction of Bakerloo line extension. 25X daytime service Oxford Circus - Romford Market via normal 25 routing with relevant pick up/drop off only sections as to not annhilate the 25 & 86. Also remove the 425 from Ilford and operate that as a direct non stop service from Stratford - Barking instead. 301 peak hour express extensions to North Greenwich so people can actually use the 472 between Woolwich & Charlton 126X - standard 126 routing from Bromley - Eltham Church then continue down to Eltham Station and then navigate onto the A2 and run fast to North Greenwich. Swap the 422 & 161 routings between Woolwich & North Greenwich. Saves the 161 doing the silly bit around Arsenal station and retains full coverage over both sections plus speeds up the 422 a bit which is already wayyyy to long. 116 summer extension to Staines & Thorpe Park to make bare £££ N81 Trafalgar Square to Reading - So I can get home without paying £13!!!
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Post by rif153 on Nov 9, 2019 8:54:42 GMT
64N withdrawn and N109 extended down to New Addington. N53 extend every other via the 99 to Erith since Upper Belvedere is oddly void of a night service. 36X peak hour only starting at Paddington serving all stops to Vauxhall then only principle stops onwards down to Lewisham & through to Bellingham. Gives Camberwell better links since rail is poor and takes pressure off other services. 53X peak hour only Piccadilly Circus - Woolwich all stops to Waterloo, pick up only at E&C then limited stop down Old Kent Road onwards - withdrawn upon introduction of Bakerloo line extension. 25X daytime service Oxford Circus - Romford Market via normal 25 routing with relevant pick up/drop off only sections as to not annhilate the 25 & 86. Also remove the 425 from Ilford and operate that as a direct non stop service from Stratford - Barking instead. 301 peak hour express extensions to North Greenwich so people can actually use the 472 between Woolwich & Charlton 126X - standard 126 routing from Bromley - Eltham Church then continue down to Eltham Station and then navigate onto the A2 and run fast to North Greenwich. Swap the 422 & 161 routings between Woolwich & North Greenwich. Saves the 161 doing the silly bit around Arsenal station and retains full coverage over both sections plus speeds up the 422 a bit which is already wayyyy to long. 116 summer extension to Staines & Thorpe Park to make bare £££ N81 Trafalgar Square to Reading - So I can get home without paying £13!!! I really like your vision for more express routes. I think there should also be one on the 5/15/115 corridor too, maybe Oxford Circus to Romford?
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Post by Gellico on Nov 9, 2019 12:19:42 GMT
64N withdrawn and N109 extended down to New Addington. N53 extend every other via the 99 to Erith since Upper Belvedere is oddly void of a night service. 36X peak hour only starting at Paddington serving all stops to Vauxhall then only principle stops onwards down to Lewisham & through to Bellingham. Gives Camberwell better links since rail is poor and takes pressure off other services. 53X peak hour only Piccadilly Circus - Woolwich all stops to Waterloo, pick up only at E&C then limited stop down Old Kent Road onwards - withdrawn upon introduction of Bakerloo line extension. 25X daytime service Oxford Circus - Romford Market via normal 25 routing with relevant pick up/drop off only sections as to not annhilate the 25 & 86. Also remove the 425 from Ilford and operate that as a direct non stop service from Stratford - Barking instead. 301 peak hour express extensions to North Greenwich so people can actually use the 472 between Woolwich & Charlton 126X - standard 126 routing from Bromley - Eltham Church then continue down to Eltham Station and then navigate onto the A2 and run fast to North Greenwich. Swap the 422 & 161 routings between Woolwich & North Greenwich. Saves the 161 doing the silly bit around Arsenal station and retains full coverage over both sections plus speeds up the 422 a bit which is already wayyyy to long. 116 summer extension to Staines & Thorpe Park to make bare £££ N81 Trafalgar Square to Reading - So I can get home without paying £13!!! I really like your vision for more express routes. I think there should also be one on the 5/15/115 corridor too, maybe Oxford Circus to Romford? Yeah with all stops to Aldgate then first set down at Canning Town
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Post by londonbuschannel on Nov 9, 2019 12:52:04 GMT
I really like your vision for more express routes. I think there should also be one on the 5/15/115 corridor too, maybe Oxford Circus to Romford? Yeah with all stops to Aldgate then first set down at Canning Town If this were to happen, I'd think that the route would use Lower Thames Street/Victoria Embankment skipping the traffic in the City of London
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