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Post by vjaska on Sept 11, 2014 23:16:49 GMT
Hopefully this FOI can finally put to bed the foundation-less conspiracy theories about the withdrawal of the 159 between Marble Arch and Paddington being linked to NRMs! I don't think that FOI does disperse my theory that the 159 was withdrawn from Paddington Basin to allow NBfL operation. If we knew the date of when the 159 route test was, then we would definitely have a much clearer answer.
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 12, 2014 1:03:39 GMT
Hopefully this FOI can finally put to bed the foundation-less conspiracy theories about the withdrawal of the 159 between Marble Arch and Paddington being linked to NRMs! I don't think that FOI does disperse my theory that the 159 was withdrawn from Paddington Basin to allow NBfL operation. If we knew the date of when the 159 route test was, then we would definitely have a much clearer answer. I thought the supposed issue was the left turn into Praed Street, which the 205 does. There wouldn't have been any issues at all at the extreme end of the route in the North Wharf Road area.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2014 1:06:58 GMT
I don't think that FOI does disperse my theory that the 159 was withdrawn from Paddington Basin to allow NBfL operation. If we knew the date of when the 159 route test was, then we would definitely have a much clearer answer. I thought the supposed issue was the left turn into Praed Street, which the 205 does. There wouldn't have been any issues at all at the extreme end of the route in the North Wharf Road area. My predicted issue was the right turn from Praed Street into Edgware Road which the 205 doesn't do - didn't know anything about a left turn into Praed Street - interesting to know though.
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 12, 2014 1:12:43 GMT
I thought the supposed issue was the left turn into Praed Street, which the 205 does. There wouldn't have been any issues at all at the extreme end of the route in the North Wharf Road area. My predicted issue was the right turn from Praed Street into Edgware Road which the 205 doesn't do - didn't know anything about a left turn into Praed Street - interesting to know though. I should think any bus driver worth their salt could do that in even a 12m bus, so long as nobody is gormless enough to park on the double red lines right by the corner!
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2014 1:14:32 GMT
My predicted issue was the right turn from Praed Street into Edgware Road which the 205 doesn't do - didn't know anything about a left turn into Praed Street - interesting to know though. I should think any bus driver worth their salt could do that in even a 12m bus, so long as nobody is gormless enough to park on the double red lines right by the corner! That's true - it was only after watching a few SEL's on the 7 do that corner that gave me the doubt I have.
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 12, 2014 1:21:00 GMT
Sounds like they were trying to cut corners - literally. With two lanes of traffic to turn into, it's about holding off then putting more lock on when turning. I did make enquiries about the withdrawal but suffice to say, the consultation report covered the reasons why the withdrawal happened!
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Post by wivenswold on Sept 13, 2014 3:57:39 GMT
Leon Daniels confirmed late last year that the 15 wouldn't be converting "yet". BW LTs are blinded for the 15 so I personally think a conversion is likely.
The primary reason for the withdrawal of 9H was a lack of passenger use.
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Post by ajw on Sept 13, 2014 4:07:09 GMT
Surprised the 94 needs infrastructure works. For the life of me cannot work out where. For the most part it is an almost dead straight route except for near the Action Green end, but nothing too bad.
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Post by l1group on Sept 13, 2014 7:01:15 GMT
Surprised the 94 needs infrastructure works. For the life of me cannot work out where. For the most part it is an almost dead straight route except for near the Action Green end, but nothing too bad. Surprised? Acton Green is bad for NBfLs! The rest of the route is practically cleared for NBfL anyway (Shepherd's Bush Garage-Oxford Circus). The parked cars, the traffic island turning in, it's all too much for an 11.3m bus! You may think Acton Green isn't too bad, but turning into the stand is enough for a TLA, but too much for an LT. The rest of the route seems fine, but maybe Piccadilly Circus Charles II St as well? I know it failed due to Acton Green in the first place - it looked too much for an NBfL anyway! The 94 was one of the routes that could've gone to bendy bus operation back when it was removing its Routemasters (see the tenders from TfL website), and it definitely could not fit past Turnham Green Station (which may be also another possible failure place for the NBfLs - double roundabout and tight turns), so I don't know what the plan is now and then?
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Post by LX09FBJ on Sept 13, 2014 8:04:29 GMT
Thankfully the AF routes aren't cleared for NB4L, which means the WVLs there will still be continuing for some time There is mention of the 88 but no mention of 87.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 8:56:37 GMT
Leon Daniels confirmed late last year that the 15 wouldn't be converting "yet". BW LTs are blinded for the 15 so I personally think a conversion is likely. The primary reason for the withdrawal of 9H was a lack of passenger use. It has been quoted here by @gnicholass that the buses carry 15 blinds for future "possible" use on 15U extras.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 13, 2014 10:05:40 GMT
Leon Daniels confirmed late last year that the 15 wouldn't be converting "yet". BW LTs are blinded for the 15 so I personally think a conversion is likely. The primary reason for the withdrawal of 9H was a lack of passenger use. It has been quoted here by @gnicholass that the buses carry 15 blinds for future "possible" use on 15U extras. I really don't think TFL will be able to turn a blind eye to the opportunity if a NBFL running past the Tower of London. Im also surprised that they haven't tested the 388 yet, considering it passes through the Olympic park and goes to Wesfield, will be used by quite a few tourists especially.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 13, 2014 10:08:13 GMT
First of all : a great FOI request, mwhite : well done Apart from what's been mentioned before, what comes screaming out of this is it appears that route 6 hasn't had a test, and I'm sure it was mentioned by forum members before that it had been tested and it failed...
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Post by vjaska on Sept 13, 2014 15:02:14 GMT
First of all : a great FOI request, mwhite : well done Apart from what's been mentioned before, what comes screaming out of this is it appears that route 6 hasn't had a test, and I'm sure it was mentioned by forum members before that it had been tested and it failed... From me, all I mentioned regarding the 6, is that I was doubtful NBfL's could get through some roads around the Kensal Rise area.
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Post by Jack on Sept 13, 2014 16:21:06 GMT
Surprised the 94 needs infrastructure works. For the life of me cannot work out where. For the most part it is an almost dead straight route except for near the Action Green end, but nothing too bad. Surprised? Acton Green is bad for NBfLs! The rest of the route is practically cleared for NBfL anyway (Shepherd's Bush Garage-Oxford Circus). The parked cars, the traffic island turning in, it's all too much for an 11.3m bus! You may think Acton Green isn't too bad, but turning into the stand is enough for a TLA, but too much for an LT. The rest of the route seems fine, but maybe Piccadilly Circus Charles II St as well? I know it failed due to Acton Green in the first place - it looked too much for an NBfL anyway! The 94 was one of the routes that could've gone to bendy bus operation back when it was removing its Routemasters (see the tenders from TfL website), and it definitely could not fit past Turnham Green Station (which may be also another possible failure place for the NBfLs - double roundabout and tight turns), so I don't know what the plan is now and then? Have to agree - the TLAs and the DEs on the 272 all mount over the middle of the rondabout and that is tight. I really think that roundabout would not be possible in a NB4L.
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