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Post by Volvo on Sept 13, 2014 20:04:41 GMT
I can't see the 15 converting especially as the 15H Routemasters are being / about to be refurbished, one of the reasons the 9H was withdrawn was confusion about the role of conductors on the 9 and 9H. Leon Daniels has already stated that the 15 won't be converting to NBfL's. Atleast some good news! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 17, 2014 19:47:33 GMT
I wonder what the next will be as between the 453 and 55 is quite a long time but I guess with the Xmas shutdown the amount of buses delivered by the end of the year would make another conversion hard.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 17, 2014 19:55:57 GMT
I wonder what the next will be as between the 453 and 55 is quite a long time but I guess with the Christmas shutdown the amount of buses delivered by the end of the year would make another conversion hard. Yeah, considering that both the 453 and 55 require quite a significant number of buses. This time last year the routes converting didn't have high PVRs like this. Although there may be a small possibility of throwing in a low PVR route just after the 453. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 5:31:09 GMT
Hopefully this FOI can finally put to bed the foundation-less conspiracy theories about the withdrawal of the 159 between Marble Arch and Paddington being linked to NRMs! I don't think that FOI does disperse my theory that the 159 was withdrawn from Paddington Basin to allow NBfL operation. If we knew the date of when the 159 route test was, then we would definitely have a much clearer answer. I asked this and received a reply from TfL yesterday confirming the date the route test for the 159 was on 21st June 2013 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 5:33:44 GMT
Thank you for your email received by us on 15 September 2014 asking for information about the New Routemaster routes.
Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act and our information access policy. I can confirm we do the information you require. You asked for:
1)Please provide the any meeting minutes regarding the Route 159 being cut back to Marble Arch.
Route 159 – Withdrawal from Paddington
It is proposed to withdraw route 159 between Paddington Basin and Marble Arch. In order to improve reliability and following a review of capacity and improvements to other transport services in the area. Bus Services Meeting (BSM) (23/10/13) APPROVED the withdrawal of route 159 between Paddington Basin and Marble Arch, subject to final savings and consultation. A revised date of 8th February was agreed.
Route 159 - Withdrawal from Paddington – Consultation
BSM (29/01/14) NOTED the Consultation Report and Responses to Issues Raised, and that no changes to the scheme are proposed. Some alterations will be made to the document. BSM APPROVED the costs received from the operator.
Notes of Service Planning Meeting NO.295 held on 16TH October 2013:
NETWORK DEVELOPMENT
- SPECIFICATIONS
CONSULTATION & ENGAGEMENT
- CONTRACTS TENDERING
PERFORMANCE
Route 159 – Cut back to Marble Arch
Mention CoW discussions.
- Consultation for November for introduction before elections in 2014.
2) Please confirm what date Route 159 had its route test for the New Routemaster.
The full Route 159 was tested on 21st June 2013.
If this is not the information you are looking for, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to appeal.
Yours since
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Post by vjaska on Sept 30, 2014 11:41:13 GMT
Thank you for your email received by us on 15 September 2014 asking for information about the New Routemaster routes. Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act and our information access policy. I can confirm we do the information you require. You asked for: 1)Please provide the any meeting minutes regarding the Route 159 being cut back to Marble Arch. Route 159 – Withdrawal from Paddington It is proposed to withdraw route 159 between Paddington Basin and Marble Arch. In order to improve reliability and following a review of capacity and improvements to other transport services in the area. Bus Services Meeting (BSM) (23/10/13) APPROVED the withdrawal of route 159 between Paddington Basin and Marble Arch, subject to final savings and consultation. A revised date of 8th February was agreed. Route 159 - Withdrawal from Paddington – Consultation BSM (29/01/14) NOTED the Consultation Report and Responses to Issues Raised, and that no changes to the scheme are proposed. Some alterations will be made to the document. BSM APPROVED the costs received from the operator. Notes of Service Planning Meeting NO.295 held on 16TH October 2013: NETWORK DEVELOPMENT - SPECIFICATIONS CONSULTATION & ENGAGEMENT - CONTRACTS TENDERING PERFORMANCE Route 159 – Cut back to Marble Arch Mention CoW discussions. - Consultation for November for introduction before elections in 2014. 2) Please confirm what date Route 159 had its route test for the New Routemaster. The full Route 159 was tested on 21st June 2013. If this is not the information you are looking for, please do not hesitate to contact me. Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to appeal. Yours since Thanks for this. What a cop out from TfL - the 159 has been reliable for years so why would you need to improve its reliability. Also, if it wasn't reliable enough, why extend it to Paddington Basin in the first place? |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 30, 2014 19:36:25 GMT
Leon Daniels confirmed late last year that the 15 wouldn't be converting "yet". BW LTs are blinded for the 15 so I personally think a conversion is likely. The primary reason for the withdrawal of 9H was a lack of passenger use. One of the other problems with converting the 15 is the high PVR of the N15, which at the weekend is the same as its daytime counterpart, and I'm not sure BW could provide enough non-NRMs without affecting the 205 and 277 morning runouts. Similarly (on a personal note) I dont much fancy a journey on an N15 NRM at 3am heading into town considering how busy the route is. |
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Post by wivenswold on Sept 30, 2014 21:27:53 GMT
I guess they could give the whole N15 run out to BK.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 1, 2014 11:01:12 GMT
I wonder what the next will be as between the 453 and 55 is quite a long time but I guess with the Xmas shutdown the amount of buses delivered by the end of the year would make another conversion hard. The 137 is now due in mid to late November. |
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Post by Nathan on Oct 1, 2014 11:03:34 GMT
I wonder what the next will be as between the 453 and 55 is quite a long time but I guess with the Xmas shutdown the amount of buses delivered by the end of the year would make another conversion hard. The 137 is now due in mid to late November. I have a feeling that they'll phase LTs into operation, then it'll stop about halfway during the Christmas period, then will pick up again in January. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 1, 2014 11:12:17 GMT
Thankfully the AF routes aren't cleared for NB4L, which means the WVLs there will still be continuing for some time  There is mention of the 88 but no mention of 87. The EHs on the 88 were intended for the 87, the latter may probably get its intended buses in due course. Which WVLs are you referring to, the B7TL or B9TL? The former could easily get replaced with buses displaced from the 12. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 1, 2014 12:10:40 GMT
The 137 is now due in mid to late November. I have a feeling that they'll phase LTs into operation, then it'll stop about halfway during the Christmas period, then will pick up again in January. I am guessing the buses are all but ready, which is why TfL made the rather '11th hour' announcement of converting the 137. Even if the buses are late for November I am guessing they will be in full swing before the main Christmas shopping....more fuel for Boris and the media. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 30, 2014 13:18:34 GMT
With the 414 and C2 not being cleared for conversion are they likely to remain diesel operated for the foreseeable future?
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Post by Nathan on Oct 30, 2014 13:33:50 GMT
With the 414 and C2 not being cleared for conversion are they likely to remain diesel operated for the foreseeable future? I thought the C2 uses hybrids now (originally for the C3)? |
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Post by Green Kitten on Oct 30, 2014 13:44:04 GMT
With the 414 and C2 not being cleared for conversion are they likely to remain diesel operated for the foreseeable future? I thought the C2 uses hybrids now (originally for the C3)? The C2 is still diesel operated at the moment, the C3 hybrids are finding themselves on the 211 these days. |
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