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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 7:16:53 GMT
Tower Transits hydrogen buses are shortly about to go through a refurb programme, so they stay til 2020. May see TTs livery!!
Source is route-one magazine
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Post by snoggle on Sept 30, 2014 10:04:01 GMT
Tower Transits hydrogen buses are shortly about to go through a refurb programme, so they stay til 2020. May see TTs livery!! Source is route-one magazine Interesting given the RV1 is up for retender. I thought the WSHs were actually owned by TfL as they're funding the use of the buses as part of a EU wide scheme? I guess refurbishment is to keep them in good nick for another 5 year term regardless of who wins the RV1 contract. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 10:17:04 GMT
Tower Transits hydrogen buses are shortly about to go through a refurb programme, so they stay til 2020. May see TTs livery!! Source is route-one magazine Interesting given the RV1 is up for retender. I thought the WSHs were actually owned by TfL as they're funding the use of the buses as part of a EU wide scheme? I guess refurbishment is to keep them in good nick for another 5 year term regardless of who wins the RV1 contract. Snoggle .... The tender is a paper exercise only in my eyes ... Only TT have the re-fuelling capabilities ... any other operator would have to include these prohibitive costs as part of their submission ... I am expecting to see only 1 bidder when that info is released by TfL |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 30, 2014 11:16:09 GMT
Interesting given the RV1 is up for retender. I thought the WSHs were actually owned by TfL as they're funding the use of the buses as part of a EU wide scheme? I guess refurbishment is to keep them in good nick for another 5 year term regardless of who wins the RV1 contract. Snoggle .... The tender is a paper exercise only in my eyes ... Only TT have the re-fuelling capabilities ... any other operator would have to include these prohibitive costs as part of their submission ... I am expecting to see only 1 bidder when that info is released by TfL Oh sure. TfL have extended and extended the RV1 contract and have probably run out of "EU procurement rules" wriggle room. While TT must be the front runner I can see a situation where TfL mandate access to the fuelling facility for any operator in order to try to give as level a bidding "playing field" as is possible. If they do not do that then there is the obvious risk of "unfair competition" being cried by other potential bidders. Do TfL own Lea Interchange and lease it to TT in the same way as TfL own West Ham and lease it to Stagecoach? If so then they can lay down access rules to the hydrogen fuelling facility with suitable controls for TT and their vehicles to reduce the risk of accidents etc if another operator has to access the site. |
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Post by Nathan on Sept 30, 2014 11:48:42 GMT
Hmm...am I the only one who thinks the WSHs are in decent condition, and don't need a refurb?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 12:12:49 GMT
Snoggle .... The tender is a paper exercise only in my eyes ... Only TT have the re-fuelling capabilities ... any other operator would have to include these prohibitive costs as part of their submission ... I am expecting to see only 1 bidder when that info is released by TfL Oh sure. TfL have extended and extended the RV1 contract and have probably run out of "EU procurement rules" wriggle room. While TT must be the front runner I can see a situation where TfL mandate access to the fuelling facility for any operator in order to try to give as level a bidding "playing field" as is possible. If they do not do that then there is the obvious risk of "unfair competition" being cried by other potential bidders. Do TfL own Lea Interchange and lease it to TT in the same way as TfL own West Ham and lease it to Stagecoach? If so then they can lay down access rules to the hydrogen fuelling facility with suitable controls for TT and their vehicles to reduce the risk of accidents etc if another operator has to access the site. Can't see it myself. Landlord's can not alter the terms of a lease as and when they please ... the leasee will have rights to. |
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Post by Ice Prxnce on Sept 30, 2014 12:20:19 GMT
Hmm...am I the only one who thinks the WSHs are in decent condition, and don't need a refurb? I think so too. A one or two of the WSHs were built last year so they should still be in good condition. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 19:36:55 GMT
Hmm...am I the only one who thinks the WSHs are in decent condition, and don't need a refurb? I think so too. A one or two of the WSHs were built last year so they should still be in good condition. It does seem a bit premature. These buses are not even 5 years old yet, did one only enter service this year? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 19:40:14 GMT
Snoggle .... The tender is a paper exercise only in my eyes ... Only TT have the re-fuelling capabilities ... any other operator would have to include these prohibitive costs as part of their submission ... I am expecting to see only 1 bidder when that info is released by TfL Oh sure. TfL have extended and extended the RV1 contract and have probably run out of "EU procurement rules" wriggle room. While TT must be the front runner I can see a situation where TfL mandate access to the fuelling facility for any operator in order to try to give as level a bidding "playing field" as is possible. If they do not do that then there is the obvious risk of "unfair competition" being cried by other potential bidders. Do TfL own Lea Interchange and lease it to TT in the same way as TfL own West Ham and lease it to Stagecoach? If so then they can lay down access rules to the hydrogen fuelling facility with suitable controls for TT and their vehicles to reduce the risk of accidents etc if another operator has to access the site. If the garage is owned by TFL I wonder if Stagecoach could bid to run the route from BW or WH - Not a million miles from LI for refueling. Just racking my brain did buses used to run to a place in Hornchuch for refueling before LI was built? I could be WRONG  |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 30, 2014 19:50:10 GMT
I think so too. A one or two of the WSHs were built last year so they should still be in good condition. It does seem a bit premature. These buses are not even 5 years old yet, did one only enter service this year? Having now found the article the exact phrase quoted is "and the fuel cell buses used by Tower Transit on route RV1 will shortly go through a life extension programme to permit their use until 2020." This is not about refurbing the interior or the paintwork. It is about ensuring what are trial vehicles can run for longer than originally envisaged. We must remember that the Fuel Cell Citaros didn't last long and were retired far earlier than an equivalent diesel powered bus. If the Wright Hydrogen buses were "built to a planned trial duration" (highly plausible as they're specialist vehicles) then you can see why aspects of the bus may need replacement or enhancing to ensure they can last until 2020. The same article confirms that the all electric deckers for the 69 trial will be ADL E400H *MMC* deckers.   |
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Post by TA1 on Sept 30, 2014 20:00:03 GMT
Oh sure. TfL have extended and extended the RV1 contract and have probably run out of "EU procurement rules" wriggle room. While TT must be the front runner I can see a situation where TfL mandate access to the fuelling facility for any operator in order to try to give as level a bidding "playing field" as is possible. If they do not do that then there is the obvious risk of "unfair competition" being cried by other potential bidders. Do TfL own Lea Interchange and lease it to TT in the same way as TfL own West Ham and lease it to Stagecoach? If so then they can lay down access rules to the hydrogen fuelling facility with suitable controls for TT and their vehicles to reduce the risk of accidents etc if another operator has to access the site. If the garage is owned by TFL I wonder if Stagecoach could bid to run the route from BW or WH - Not a million miles from LI for refueling. Just racking my brain did buses used to run to a place in Hornchuch for refueling before LI was built? I could be WRONG It was in Gallows Corner, not Hornchurch. The refuelling facility. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:06:36 GMT
It does seem a bit premature. These buses are not even 5 years old yet, did one only enter service this year? Having now found the article the exact phrase quoted is "and the fuel cell buses used by Tower Transit on route RV1 will shortly go through a life extension programme to permit their use until 2020." This is not about refurbing the interior or the paintwork. It is about ensuring what are trial vehicles can run for longer than originally envisaged. We must remember that the Fuel Cell Citaros didn't last long and were retired far earlier than an equivalent diesel powered bus. If the Wright Hydrogen buses were "built to a planned trial duration" (highly plausible as they're specialist vehicles) then you can see why aspects of the bus may need replacement or enhancing to ensure they can last until 2020. The same article confirms that the all electric deckers for the 69 trial will be ADL E400H *MMC* deckers. Quite an interesting article. Off-topic, but I wonder if the E400H MMCs will use seperate fleet codes- these particular ones, not in general. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 23, 2014 10:14:33 GMT
I really doubt any other operator would bid for the RV1, surely the costs may be too high. While TfL do own the Hydrogen building at [LI], I do not think they own the rest of the [LI] premises.
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Post by Nathan on Oct 23, 2014 10:18:14 GMT
I really doubt any other operator would bid for the RV1, surely the costs may be too high. While TfL do own the Hydrogen building at [LI], I do not think they own the rest of the [LI] premises. Well...GAL could bid for it. It could operate from Waterloo |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 23, 2014 13:26:17 GMT
I really doubt any other operator would bid for the RV1, surely the costs may be too high. While TfL do own the Hydrogen building at [LI], I do not think they own the rest of the [LI] premises. Well...GAL could bid for it. It could operate from Waterloo There is one problem with that - the weekend restriction that shuts Waterloo garage so as not to disturb nearby residents. Go Ahead would need some reserve fuelling facility elsewhere for the hydrogen buses or else they wouldn't run at weekends and diesels would have to operate. You never see the BYDs at the weekend and the Citaros on the 507 run, I think, out of Mandela Way. |
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