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Post by snowman on Oct 8, 2014 13:23:28 GMT
(sighs)... is this on top of the 600 ordered already (I thought they are only up to the late 200's fleet wise with the wretched things ) or part of the current order of white elephants? It is 200 *extra* giving a prospective grand total of 808 buses (including the prototypes). or 807 if LT62 never returns (it crashed over 12 months ago) I find it interesting the cost benefit ratio is now described as marginal (its now compared to euro6 buses instead of euro5) but was positive when first introduced. It appears the only reason its positive, is they have higher satisfaction scores that normal deckers (which could include the diminishing ranks of ALX400s and Presidents). Tellingly the best emissions as a positive reason seems to be omitted nowadays (I suspect it is worst per passenger than the latest new euro6 hybrids which can carry upto 99). Interestingly there are very few Central London routes with contract starts by April 2016, as this is preferred method of introduction, so will be will be interesting route choice, here is a selection of central routes up for tender : 23, 35, 40, 47, 91, 155, 159, 295, 343, 345, 507, N97, RV1. Other routes will be by negociation.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 8, 2014 13:57:00 GMT
It is 200 *extra* giving a prospective grand total of 808 buses (including the prototypes). Interestingly there are very few Central London routes with contract starts by April 2016, as this is preferred method of introduction, so will be will be interesting route choice, here is a selection of central routes up for tender : 23, 47, 91, 155, 159, 295, 343, N97. Other routes will be by negociation. The 188 I believe comes up two months before the 343, with the 35 and 40 being due three months after the 343. There are also the possibility of two-year extensions with some routes.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 8, 2014 16:23:38 GMT
It is 200 *extra* giving a prospective grand total of 808 buses (including the prototypes). or 807 if LT62 never returns (it crashed over 12 months ago) I find it interesting the cost benefit ratio is now described as marginal (its now compared to euro6 buses instead of euro5) but was positive when first introduced. It appears the only reason its positive, is they have higher satisfaction scores that normal deckers (which could include the diminishing ranks of ALX400s and Presidents). Tellingly the best emissions as a positive reason seems to be omitted nowadays (I suspect it is worst per passenger than the latest new euro6 hybrids which can carry upto 99). Interestingly there are very few Central London routes with contract starts by April 2016, as this is preferred method of introduction, so will be will be interesting route choice, here is a selection of central routes up for tender : 23, 35, 40, 47, 91, 155, 159, 295, 343, 345, N97. Other routes will be by negociation. 343? I would be surprised if an LT fits around Cottage Green and some other parts of the route. Plus Introducing OPO LTs in Peckham & Walworth Estates... Welcome to the Free4Free Didn't the 23 fail the LT test?
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Post by Nathan on Oct 8, 2014 16:56:26 GMT
or 807 if LT62 never returns (it crashed over 12 months ago) I find it interesting the cost benefit ratio is now described as marginal (its now compared to euro6 buses instead of euro5) but was positive when first introduced. It appears the only reason its positive, is they have higher satisfaction scores that normal deckers (which could include the diminishing ranks of ALX400s and Presidents). Tellingly the best emissions as a positive reason seems to be omitted nowadays (I suspect it is worst per passenger than the latest new euro6 hybrids which can carry upto 99). Interestingly there are very few Central London routes with contract starts by April 2016, as this is preferred method of introduction, so will be will be interesting route choice, here is a selection of central routes up for tender : 23, 35, 40, 47, 91, 155, 159, 295, 343, 345, N97. Other routes will be by negociation. 343? I would be surprised if an LT fits around Cottage Green and some other parts of the route. Plus Introducing OPO LTs in Peckham & Walworth Estates... Welcome to the Free4Free I highly doubt an LT could go around the roundabout at Telegraph Hill. Even now drivers struggle a little from time to time. And don't even get me started on Pepys Road...
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Post by M1104 on Oct 8, 2014 17:00:22 GMT
343? I would be surprised if an LT fits around Cottage Green and some other parts of the route. Plus Introducing OPO LTs in Peckham & Walworth Estates... Welcome to the Free4Free I highly doubt an LT could go around the roundabout at Telegraph Hill. Even now drivers struggle a little from time to time. And don't even get me started on Pepys Road... Those long wheel base Volvos can just about fit around that roundabout, and they are about a metre shorter than the LTs.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 8, 2014 17:19:37 GMT
I highly doubt an LT could go around the roundabout at Telegraph Hill. Even now drivers struggle a little from time to time. And don't even get me started on Pepys Road... Those long wheel base Volvos can just about fit around that roundabout, and they are about a metre shorter than the LTs. The Difference between a 10.6m Volvo and an LT 11.2m is 0.5 of a metre...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 17:20:36 GMT
I know I'm a minority here, but I'm quite happy to here this. More NBFLs for London. Yay!!! I do agree however that it shouldn't be called a Routemaster and also the fact they'll be mostly run in OPO mode. However, I do like these buses. Also, the newer ones have no problem with the air-con so the air con card isn't valid here... I was thinking, perhaps each NBFL route could get a frequency increase if there's not enough routes which can handle them. I'd like to see another Tower Hamlets get them, though please no more at BW. That'll mean the Scania Omnicities will leave, the only ones of their kind in Tower Hamlets. You know, although most people here hate them, I've only ever met one person (in person) who's disliked them.
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Post by Nathan on Oct 8, 2014 17:31:55 GMT
Those long wheel base Volvos can just about fit around that roundabout, and they are about a metre shorter than the LTs. The Difference between a 10.6m Volvo and an LT 11.2m is 0.5 of a metre... You mean 0.6m
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Post by vjaska on Oct 8, 2014 17:52:24 GMT
I'm still debating whether to comment on anything regarding NBfL's after last times argument
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 8, 2014 17:54:16 GMT
I'm still debating whether to comment on anything regarding NBfL's after last times argument You're not struck, I think they're OK but not as good as the original RM. The end.
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 8, 2014 19:22:02 GMT
or 807 if LT62 never returns (it crashed over 12 months ago) Didn't the 23 fail the LT test? Does anyone know what the "LT test" consisted of? Was a dummy vehicle used, or did one of these buses try various turns in the middle of the night?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Oct 8, 2014 19:38:59 GMT
I'm going to be buck the popular trend on here and I say I am happy more of these buses are possibly being delivered. I have really enjoyed the rides I have had on them and they look smart and sleek. I wait in anticipation for route 137 to convert soon.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 8, 2014 20:44:08 GMT
The Difference between a 10.6m Volvo and an LT 11.2m is 0.5 of a metre... You mean 0.6m Thanks for the correction
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Post by Volvo on Oct 8, 2014 21:17:21 GMT
oh my. a little bit of sick just came up into my mouth I guess the name New White Elephant isn't as catchy as New Routemaster either... A lot of routes currently have issues due to tight turns so it will be interesting to see where they end up I fear that trying to find a home for another 200 of the things means routes like the 25, 149, 279 and 207 must start to come into scope because they're straight and have high PVRs. I guess the 279's turning at Manor House may prove problematic for a NB4L. Alternatively as this looks like a "Boris farewell" gesture he might ensure they get dumped on Havering, Redbridge, Bromley and Hillingdon to finally please the Tory Assembly members from those areas. That brings in the prospect of the 208, 25, 86, 5, 427 and 607 being "treated" to them. At this rate the bus network will become unusable for me. They would probably try to extend to the 279 to Finsbury Park as there is stand space on Isledon Road and Coleridge Road (Which could also be used for the buses to turn around) What am I saying I don't want anymore of these vile things near me, have alot already. I don't know about white elephants but they sound like pigs snorting. Finally they don't even look as good as either animals rear end!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 8, 2014 21:20:36 GMT
Wonder if they think the 109 might be a good idea given its fairly straight route though it's routing through Croydon would need a thorough looking at.
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