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Post by sid on Oct 16, 2014 16:03:16 GMT
I was talking about over the last few months, I know some people just love to find any stick to beat them with but...................... Believe it or not, I wasnt making a criticism of the bus - all I said is that the temperature has dropped recently so that could be why they are bearable at this time. During the hot weather, they were certainly unbearable to ride as I rode some and they were far worse than any other bus I rode at that time. I rode one on the 8 last Saturday and it was fine no doubt because the temperature outside was much cooler than it was in the summer. Every bus becomes bearable heat wise as the winter sets in unless the heating is broke lol. As for people finding any fault with the NBfL, there are also some fans of the NBfL who just love covering up the blatant faults and abuse people who happen to disagree with their view. This is why I've decided to stay out of these discussions recently because if I was to state my view of the bus like I have done in the past, then there would be a massive uproar from most members of the pro NBfL club and I'd be vilified from pillar to post. Yes I appreciate that you weren't making a criticism of the bus, the arguments for and against have been well aired and I like to think I can take an objective view of the bus and generally I like it but I do recognise one or two shortcomings.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2014 16:11:40 GMT
Believe it or not, I wasnt making a criticism of the bus - all I said is that the temperature has dropped recently so that could be why they are bearable at this time. During the hot weather, they were certainly unbearable to ride as I rode some and they were far worse than any other bus I rode at that time. I rode one on the 8 last Saturday and it was fine no doubt because the temperature outside was much cooler than it was in the summer. Every bus becomes bearable heat wise as the winter sets in unless the heating is broke lol. As for people finding any fault with the NBfL, there are also some fans of the NBfL who just love covering up the blatant faults and abuse people who happen to disagree with their view. This is why I've decided to stay out of these discussions recently because if I was to state my view of the bus like I have done in the past, then there would be a massive uproar from most members of the pro NBfL club and I'd be vilified from pillar to post. Yes I appreciate that you weren't making a criticism of the bus, the arguments for and against have been well aired and I like to think I can take an objective view of the bus and generally I like it but I do recognise one or two shortcomings. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 22:09:20 GMT
I was talking about over the last few months, I know some people just love to find any stick to beat them with but...................... Believe it or not, I wasnt making a criticism of the bus - all I said is that the temperature has dropped recently so that could be why they are bearable at this time. During the hot weather, they were certainly unbearable to ride as I rode some and they were far worse than any other bus I rode at that time. I rode one on the 8 last Saturday and it was fine no doubt because the temperature outside was much cooler than it was in the summer. Every bus becomes bearable heat wise as the winter sets in unless the heating is broke lol. As for people finding any fault with the NBfL, there are also some fans of the NBfL who just love covering up the blatant faults and abuse people who happen to disagree with their view. This is why I've decided to stay out of these discussions recently because if I was to state my view of the bus like I have done in the past, then there would be a massive uproar from most members of the pro NBfL club and I'd be vilified from pillar to post. Stagecoach LTs don't have a problem with their air-con, some are better than others but I used the 8 all summer and never experienced any problems. Personally I don't find many faults with the NBFL, like I said I haven't had problems with air-con and I can't think of any other criticisms other than the looks- I think it's one of the best looking buses bar the rear view. Oh, and also the price- I have no opinion on that.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 17, 2014 7:56:02 GMT
LT 297 visited BX yesterday. Not particularly exciting, I know, but it's an LT visiting close to me, so interesting for me lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 8:13:53 GMT
LT 297 visited BX yesterday. Not particularly exciting, I know, but it's an LT visiting close to me, so interesting for me lol Perhaps route 132 is converting next
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 25, 2014 22:27:00 GMT
oh my. a little bit of sick just came up into my mouth I guess the name New White Elephant isn't as catchy as New Routemaster either... A lot of routes currently have issues due to tight turns so it will be interesting to see where they end up I fear that trying to find a home for another 200 of the things means routes like the 25, 149, 279 and 207 must start to come into scope because they're straight and have high PVRs. I guess the 279's turning at Manor House may prove problematic for a NB4L. Alternatively as this looks like a "Boris farewell" gesture he might ensure they get dumped on Havering, Redbridge, Bromley and Hillingdon to finally please the Tory Assembly members from those areas. That brings in the prospect of the 208, 25, 86, 5, 427 and 607 being "treated" to them. At this rate the bus network will become unusable for me. Boris may well want some LTs to go to Hillingdon, so that he can see his legacy as London Mayor in his next job as MP for Uxbridge. Oct 7, 2014 21:37:31 GMT 1 TL 1 said: The 208...?!?!? Don't Make me laugh with the amount of people who use that route that trash will reduce capacity, plus will allow the 320 to be ignored even more Fare Evasion! In addition I'd rather see the 4Free6 return than see LTs on the 208 If you mean the 436, this would be a good choice for LTs as it is a long straight-ish route ex-bendi with a long stretch in zone 1. LT 297 visited BX yesterday. Not particularly exciting, I know, but it's an LT visiting close to me, so interesting for me lol Perhaps route 132 is converting next Or perhaps route 89 will go over to LTs with CAs, so that the CAs can have better interactions with the public than one of the route 89 drivers?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 26, 2014 16:43:48 GMT
Does anyone know if Extra 200 NRMs have been confirmed?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2014 21:15:44 GMT
Does anyone know if Extra 200 NRMs have been confirmed? The paper has to go to the TfL Board on 5 November 2014 for final sign off. Expect some splurge of publicity after that. If the TfL spin machine can start telling people about the New Tube for London on the Central Line when the trains are 20+ years away from being built then I am sure it can go into hyperdrive about 200 NB4Ls even though we won't be told the routes they'll run on. Also expect the 2015 Fares Announcement not long after 5 November too.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 29, 2014 10:48:37 GMT
The Board Papers have been published in advance of next week's meeting. They include the minutes of the Finance and Policy Committee that first considered the paper for 200 NB4Ls. They approved the paper and recommend the Board also approves it - no surprise there. One interesting paragraph in the F&PC minutes is the following.
I assume that 2,000 vehicles refers to the projected numbers of new buses needed for contract renewal. The reference to other manufacturers building buses with NRM features is the interesting bit!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 11:52:58 GMT
I think north London needs some nbfl, route 29 141 149 259 and 476 if not not all at least a couple should be converted,
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 6, 2014 17:06:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 10:06:16 GMT
I take it that these new LT's will be exactly the same as the current batch - 3 doors, 2 staircases?
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Post by sid on Nov 18, 2014 9:48:53 GMT
I witnessed an incident on a 148 yesterday where the rear platform door that opens inwards hit a woman who was waiting to get off, she made nothing of it but it could have been more serious and certainly could have resulted in a compensation claim?
As far as I'm concerned the rear platform doors should either be open (with a conductor on board as intended) or closed when in OPO mode with the bus in effect being a conventional two door bus.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 18, 2014 9:59:44 GMT
I witnessed an incident on a 148 yesterday where the rear platform door that opens inwards hit a woman who was waiting to get off, she made nothing of it but it could have been more serious and certainly could have resulted in a compensation claim? As far as I'm concerned the rear platform doors should either be open (with a conductor on board as intended) or closed when in OPO mode with the bus in effect being a conventional two door bus. Isn't a warning message given before the doors open? What they could do is adjust the speed of the doors so that they open a bit slower (baring emergencies), giving punters a chance to move accordingly if needed.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 18, 2014 10:06:14 GMT
I witnessed an incident on a 148 yesterday where the rear platform door that opens inwards hit a woman who was waiting to get off, she made nothing of it but it could have been more serious and certainly could have resulted in a compensation claim? As far as I'm concerned the rear platform doors should either be open (with a conductor on board as intended) or closed when in OPO mode with the bus in effect being a conventional two door bus. apparently the 200 extra buses are to have a modified rear door design in recognition of the difficulties you and others have witnessed. The narrowness of the rear door and the way it moves are pretty sub standard. I've read of people being hit by it and others have their feet trapped as it moves. One issue is that people can overload the rear platform in OPO mode meaning there's nowhere to move to when the door opens. I can't see the NB4L being operable with just two doors working some of the time. It renders the rear staircase pointless and the risk of congestion and extended dwell times would increase. It is also clear that the extend of two person operation is going to be strictly limited so continuing to say all NB4Ls should run in that mode is like "whistling in the wind".
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