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Post by T.R. on Nov 3, 2014 16:55:12 GMT
TfL have launched a consultation on route options for a new tram loop in Croydon Town Centre. Consultation linkI knew they were thinking about this but interesting that we've reached the consultation stage already even if it's only for a preferred route option. Interesting progress there. Supposedly it'll only be used by lines 1/2?
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 3, 2014 17:50:09 GMT
TfL have launched a consultation on route options for a new tram loop in Croydon Town Centre. Consultation linkI knew they were thinking about this but interesting that we've reached the consultation stage already even if it's only for a preferred route option. I like option 3, because its longer than the rest. However, where would Lines 1 and 2 start and terminate. I thought they were putting a second line down George Street. Am i right or did i misread?
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Post by Steve80 on Nov 4, 2014 4:18:18 GMT
TfL have launched a consultation on route options for a new tram loop in Croydon Town Centre. Consultation linkI knew they were thinking about this but interesting that we've reached the consultation stage already even if it's only for a preferred route option. I like option 3, because its longer than the rest. However, where would Lines 1 and 2 start and terminate. I thought they were putting a second line down George Street. Am i right or did i misread? I think you misread as I can't see anything about adding another line along George Street. I'm not sure which option I would choose initially. I would have thought Wellesley road Tram stop would be best for the Croydon Partnership Development as that's the stop many use when going into the Whitgift Centre. Sydenham Road would be good for passengers going to the Home Office/Border Agency. Option 1 seems to be the easiest but I like to know more on this partnership development before choosing
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Post by snoggle on Nov 4, 2014 10:20:49 GMT
Having had a look through the consultation the bit that is missing is how services will be affected and which ones. I assume TfL have done this to try to avoid the inevitable bad reaction from people on whatever service would be affected.
It's pretty clear the TfL preference is for route option 1. On the assumption that one of the existing loop services would have to be diverted under the likely option 1 then there will be broken links around the town centre and to / from West Croydon. Even if you accept that the new developments may shift the focus within Croydon it's still going to be a strange arrangement. If there are extra services run just round the new loop then there will be split stop locations for some destinations.
There are obvious implications for buses during the construction phase and subsequently. The likely effects will be reroutings and stop changes.
Note that no timeline is given for likely completion / use of the new loop.
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 4, 2014 19:37:15 GMT
Why are there rarely any Variotrams on line 3? In April on one day, all 6 of them were on line 3. Howcome none have been on line 3 recently. They seem to be sticking to Lines 1 and 4
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2014 16:36:05 GMT
TfL have published a Trams 2030 paper for next week's Rail and Underground Panel meeting Link to Trams PaperIt sets out how TfL want to improve Tramlink and vastly expand capacity. It defines several future upgrade milestones and shows how the service patterns may change including the Dingwall Road loop facility that is apparently funded so is very likely to happen. Also the possibility of a new fleet of larger trams. I've only skim read the paper so haven't got all the details worked through in my head before people ask lots of questions. Just read the paper!
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 6, 2014 20:55:42 GMT
TfL have published a Trams 2030 paper for next week's Rail and Underground Panel meeting Link to Trams PaperIt sets out how TfL want to improve Tramlink and vastly expand capacity. It defines several future upgrade milestones and shows how the service patterns may change including the Dingwall Road loop facility that is apparently funded so is very likely to happen. Also the possibility of a new fleet of larger trams. I've only skim read the paper so haven't got all the details worked through in my head before people ask lots of questions. Just read the paper! They are proposing to make Line 3 Shorter and make it go to West Croydon OR use the Dingwall Loop, and make all other lines go to Wimbledon!! Thats the most stupidest idea I've ever heard of!! The New Addington branch is packed every morning. The Elmers End and Beckenham trams are empty!! `In my opinion, they need to put more new trams on Line 3 as a PVR increase is much needed! I end up waiting 10 minutes for a tram at Coombe Lane! I hope they don't shorten the New Addington line.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2014 22:27:13 GMT
They are proposing to make Line 3 Shorter and make it go to West Croydon OR use the Dingwall Loop, and make all other lines go to Wimbledon!! Thats the most stupidest idea I've ever heard of!! The New Addington branch is packed every morning. The Elmers End and Beckenham trams are empty!! `In my opinion, they need to put more new trams on Line 3 as a PVR increase is much needed! I end up waiting 10 minutes for a tram at Coombe Lane! I hope they don't shorten the New Addington line. Not sure why you are quite so cross. The document says that there is more demand from Beckenham and Elmers End to Wimbledon so it makes sense to provide the through service where it is more needed. The aim overall is to boost capacity on all lines including to New Addington - the eventual plan being a tram every 4 mins from New Addington which is pretty remarkable. The central problem is clearly the design of the central Croydon loop which constrains capacity. Further you will stop bus services and other traffic working properly in Croydon if you overload the loop. This is clearly why the Dingwall Road loop is provided - it gets people to East Croydon and the new development area. The developers have coughed up £15m for it so that'll happen. There are also problems with the approach from Wimbledon with the single track bridge and constraints at Reeves Corner. There is talk about a loop at that part of Croydon to turn part of the service from Wimbledon because it is impossible to get it between West Croydon and Wellesley Road because of the traffic impacts. Clearly it would be lovely to have all the trams looping through West Croydon but the potential end state is a tram every 2 minutes which would simply block Wellesley Road completely. The more concerning aspects for me are the apparent difficulties of coping with future extensions with Crystal Palace looking especially difficult.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2014 0:14:52 GMT
TfL have published a Trams 2030 paper for next week's Rail and Underground Panel meeting Link to Trams PaperIt sets out how TfL want to improve Tramlink and vastly expand capacity. It defines several future upgrade milestones and shows how the service patterns may change including the Dingwall Road loop facility that is apparently funded so is very likely to happen. Also the possibility of a new fleet of larger trams. I've only skim read the paper so haven't got all the details worked through in my head before people ask lots of questions. Just read the paper! They are proposing to make Line 3 Shorter and make it go to West Croydon OR use the Dingwall Loop, and make all other lines go to Wimbledon!! Thats the most stupidest idea I've ever heard of!! The New Addington branch is packed every morning. The Elmers End and Beckenham trams are empty!! `In my opinion, they need to put more new trams on Line 3 as a PVR increase is much needed! I end up waiting 10 minutes for a tram at Coombe Lane! I hope they don't shorten the New Addington line. As someone who regularly used both the Elmers End and Beckenham Junction tram routes regularly, I can assure you that they are not empty - I've been on journeys where your crammed in like what happens on the Tube.
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 11, 2014 18:39:45 GMT
2534 and 2531 have internal adverts with that dreadful McMillan Williams Solicitors campaign . The livery on 2531 and the internal adverts are just horrifying.
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 11, 2014 19:08:55 GMT
I like this bit 'particularly if priority for trams – currently absolute – is reduced.' I have mentioned it quite a few times on here about traffic lights and trams but i can fully understand encouraging people to use public transport which prioritising seems to achieve. However they need to look into the issues a bit more i think as if they continue to have absolute priority then buses/general traffic on the roads will continue to clog up. If growth continues we will have more cars and buses on the roads as well making it worse.
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 18, 2014 18:11:13 GMT
Variobahn 2557 appeared on the New Addington line today, but unfortunately was involved in an RTC with a Ford Ranger at Lloyd Park with me being onboard and sitting right at the front!! Fortunately, there was only a minor scratch and a dent on the front bumper
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Post by Steve80 on Nov 25, 2014 5:26:43 GMT
I see that the trams are getting a frequency increase from every 15 minutes to every 7/8 minutes on Sunday shopping hours only. Like I said before, the trams are almost bursting on Sundays so its about time some changes are made. The increase will happen from the 14th December
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 28, 2014 19:20:54 GMT
Variobahns 2557 and 2555 made appearances on Line 3 on Weds and Thursday. 2557 still has slight damage from its RTA with a pickup truck last week
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 4, 2014 22:26:07 GMT
Variobahns were spotted on Line 2 yesterday, with three of them being on that line. 2537 narrowly avoided an RTC with a car at Sandilands whilst on line 3. It braked heavily when leaving Sandilands and was honking its horn and its bell was ringing
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