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Post by sid on Mar 30, 2018 21:56:25 GMT
What benefit was this Dingwall Road loop supposed to bring? As far as I can see it was all about reducing the number of trams crossing Wellesley Road? There was actually lot of local opposition to the proposal and maybe that's why it's been dropped? I didn't understand the logic behind it either. The worst possible result would be that Hammerson get to dictate the level of tram service on Wellesley Road by default i.e. cars blocking the road system trying to enter their car parks preventing anything like the-timetabled level of service, so East Croydon becoming the default terminus for Addington trams. I was stuck in the Whitgift Centre during the extraordinary July storm in the late 1990s when several inches of rain fell in a few hours and nothing moved on or around Wellesley Road for the duration. Not even emergency vehicles could get through, from what I heard later. That was before the trams had started, but I don't believe they'd not have been effectively blocked either. I don't know who was behind the idea but it didn't go down to well. As I understand it Elmers End/Beckenham to Wimbledon services would be unchanged but New Addington services would go via Dingwall Road no longer serving George Street, Church Street, Centrale or West Croydon.
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Post by ctrh136 on Apr 3, 2018 10:34:58 GMT
I thought that the loop was there so that New Addington trams could run more frequently (every 5 mins), with half using the loop and half going via West Croydon as they do now.
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Post by sid on Apr 3, 2018 14:56:46 GMT
I thought that the loop was there so that New Addington trams could run more frequently (every 5 mins), with half using the loop and half going via West Croydon as they do now. That may have been part of the package although I'm not sure if the East Croydon to Sandilands section could cope with another 4 trams per hour in each direction without considerable delays to buses. A more radical idea would be to reroute the New Addington line after Lloyd Park on street into Croydon avoiding the Sandilands section.
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Post by capitalpotter on Apr 4, 2018 15:36:40 GMT
Surely the easiest and cheapest solution would be to use the spare line at East Croydon and turn back 50% of New Addington trams
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Post by sid on Apr 4, 2018 16:07:32 GMT
Surely the easiest and cheapest solution would be to use the spare line at East Croydon and turn back 50% of New Addington trams It's an option although it would obviously mean more passengers changing at East Croydon and as I mentioned previously I think anymore trams on the East Croydon to Sandilands section would cause considerable delays to buses
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Apr 6, 2018 14:41:16 GMT
Been offered a job at Tramlink. No start date as yet but I’m absolutely made up. Congrats mate, Love to hear what it's like.
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Post by busaholic on Apr 6, 2018 20:54:29 GMT
Surely the easiest and cheapest solution would be to use the spare line at East Croydon and turn back 50% of New Addington trams Solution to what? Only the Addington trams go to Centrale, East Croydon and Wellesley Road from East Croydon now, so if you want any of those stops then you may as well wait for a through tram from further back on the New Addington branch, or leave your house later.
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Post by capitalpotter on Apr 6, 2018 22:39:35 GMT
Surely the easiest and cheapest solution would be to use the spare line at East Croydon and turn back 50% of New Addington trams Solution to what? Only the Addington trams go to Centrale, East Croydon and Wellesley Road from East Croydon now, so if you want any of those stops then you may as well wait for a through tram from further back on the New Addington branch, or leave your house later. It would solve the number of teams crossing Wellesley Road
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Post by busaholic on Apr 8, 2018 22:25:02 GMT
Solution to what? Only the Addington trams go to Centrale, East Croydon and Wellesley Road from East Croydon now, so if you want any of those stops then you may as well wait for a through tram from further back on the New Addington branch, or leave your house later. It would solve the number of teams crossing Wellesley Road Just because a shopping centre developer wants to limit the number of trams for its own selfish purposes doesn't mean that everyone else should lie down in capitulation. Tram usage remains at a stable high in the latest figures, unlike every other mode, and I don't recollect Wellesley Road being an 'issue' before the developer made it one. If I were a local resident I'd be making my views known to relevant councillors/MP, which I hope many in the area are doing.
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Post by capitalpotter on Apr 9, 2018 15:09:42 GMT
Get off your high horse. I've not said I agree with it. I was merely pointing out that the loop would be a waste of money and IF it is necessary to reduce the amount of trams crossing Wellesley Road then the East Croydon option would be considerably cheaper
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Post by sid on Apr 9, 2018 16:22:45 GMT
Get off your high horse. I've not said I agree with it. I was merely pointing out that the loop would be a waste of money and IF it is necessary to reduce the amount of trams crossing Wellesley Road then the East Croydon option would be considerably cheaper If there really is a desperate need to reduce the number of trams crossing Wellesley Road I reckon it would be possible to elevate the tram line over the traffic. The gap at the Poplar Walk junction might need to be closed and the Wellesley Road tram moved further south but surely it would be cheaper than this half baked Dingwall Road loop idea?
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Post by snowman on May 16, 2018 8:09:43 GMT
TfL have gone out to tender for tram overspeed devices Tender link
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Post by SILENCED on May 16, 2018 11:27:47 GMT
TfL have gone out to tender for tram overspeed devices Tender linkInteresting that they can not decide if they have 34 or 35 trams in the tender notice
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Post by Max B on Sept 9, 2018 21:29:25 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Sept 9, 2018 21:55:06 GMT
So could Christmas. Steve O'Connell, local Assembly Member, railed at the Mayor over the Crossrail delay saying the £300m overrun cost could have paid for the tram extension. Problem is that the Tramlink extension will never be wholly funded by TfL anyway - relies on private contributions from housing expansion. The bizarre thing in that article is that the plan now seems to be focussed on replacing part of the Thameslink line whereas the long standing plan is a new line through Rose Hill serving St Helier Hospital. I can see a lot of problems with converting part of the NR loop - not least how on earth you turn Thameslink trains on a single platform. I can also see a lot of people being cheesed off at losing their local rail service into Central London even if it's not the best rail service in the world. I also note the worrying emergence of "bus rapid transit" as an option. Just build a tram line - it's what people want.
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