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Post by wirewiper on Mar 1, 2021 18:03:13 GMT
According to the 2020-2021 TfL Budget from April 2020, TfL have started a project to replace the CR4000 trams. Was not aware that they were due to be replaced. Anyone have any more info on this or is it too early to tell yet? content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-budget-2020-21.pdf (Page 31) The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. I would imagine that longer trams would also mean alterations to the infrastructure in places. I can see this work being deferred until it becomes clear how passenger numbers have recovered after covid-19. Longer-term, if there is a case for longer trams I can see Wimbledon - New Addington route being adapted, with the newer Stadlers kept on the Croydon - Elmers End/Beckenham Junction route.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 1, 2021 18:18:25 GMT
The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. I would imagine that longer trams would also mean alterations to the infrastructure in places. I can see this work being deferred until it becomes clear how passenger numbers have recovered after covid-19. Longer-term, if there is a case for longer trams I can see Wimbledon - New Addington route being adapted, with the newer Stadlers kept on the Croydon - Elmers End/Beckenham Junction route. More rework for the tram network then as currently the Wimbledon service does not go to New Addington
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 1, 2021 23:41:15 GMT
According to the 2020-2021 TfL Budget from April 2020, TfL have started a project to replace the CR4000 trams. Was not aware that they were due to be replaced. Anyone have any more info on this or is it too early to tell yet? content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-budget-2020-21.pdf (Page 31) The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. Indeed, technically speaking the CR4000's are already life expired - I vaguely remember reading somewhere years ago that they were only meant to last 20 years. It probably won't be another 4 or 5 years before they begin to be replaced though and I would expect that longer trams may be considered since pre-covid, more people than ever were using the trams and I expect that to continue to grow once restrictions are lifted. Saying that these trams are life expired makes me feel old - they're just as old as I am!
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 1, 2021 23:49:43 GMT
The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. I would imagine that longer trams would also mean alterations to the infrastructure in places. I can see this work being deferred until it becomes clear how passenger numbers have recovered after covid-19. Longer-term, if there is a case for longer trams I can see Wimbledon - New Addington route being adapted, with the newer Stadlers kept on the Croydon - Elmers End/Beckenham Junction route. To be honest, from my observations, the trams are still very busy during Covid (Peak hours, off peak is quieter but that is to be expected). Though I wonder how they would extend some of the platforms as it can be tight on space already?
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 10, 2021 18:33:32 GMT
I had my monthly tram journey today, to and from Wimbledon. Just how many residents of Croydon are apparently exempt from face coverings?!?!
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 10, 2021 19:27:18 GMT
I had my monthly tram journey today, to and from Wimbledon. Just how many residents of Croydon are apparently exempt from face coverings?!?! From my observations when travelling for my Covid test on Monday, mask compliance was fairly high, however started dropping the closer the tram got to Croydon (from Wimbledon) and in the opposite direction, not many mask wearers boarding at Croydon, however this amount of mask wearers increased the further away the tram travelled from Croydon. A high proportion of the 450 bus route passengers also seem to be exempt
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 10, 2021 20:41:25 GMT
According to the 2020-2021 TfL Budget from April 2020, TfL have started a project to replace the CR4000 trams. Was not aware that they were due to be replaced. Anyone have any more info on this or is it too early to tell yet? content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-budget-2020-21.pdf (Page 31) The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. They’re 20 years old? They don’t look that old!
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Post by Dillon95 on Mar 10, 2021 23:27:31 GMT
I had my monthly tram journey today, to and from Wimbledon. Just how many residents of Croydon are apparently exempt from face coverings?!?! From working in a supermarket during this whole pandemic, it’s almost always the rough chavy people that don’t bother to wear masks or even a lanyard.
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Post by Dillon95 on Mar 10, 2021 23:29:08 GMT
The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. I would imagine that longer trams would also mean alterations to the infrastructure in places. I can see this work being deferred until it becomes clear how passenger numbers have recovered after covid-19. Longer-term, if there is a case for longer trams I can see Wimbledon - New Addington route being adapted, with the newer Stadlers kept on the Croydon - Elmers End/Beckenham Junction route. It’s Wimbledon-Beckenham Jct these days. The New Addington route does the Croydon loop.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2021 23:29:42 GMT
The mid 20s was always the stated end of life date for the CR4000, be 25 years old then. The stated aim in 2014 was to replace them with longer trams. Not sure if that is still the case. They’re 20 years old? They don’t look that old! They were the stock the line began with and personally they’re still my favourite between them and the newer ones that came many years after
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Post by richard on Jul 22, 2021 16:06:17 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 22, 2021 17:55:58 GMT
The fact that the coroner won't give a list of names to the families regarding evidence of safety failings doesn't sit right with me. The families have been going through hell these last few years they should at least deserve to get it
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2021 18:11:18 GMT
Whilst I can only express sorrow towards the family, I did find some things odd about this. I remember after the crash, they put further speed limits across the network when that had nothing to do with the crash and was down to the driver falling asleep at the wheel due to exhaustion from a culture at Tramlink of overworking staff - the old limits were perfectly fine.
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Post by richard on Jul 22, 2021 20:11:58 GMT
The fact that the coroner won't give a list of names to the families regarding evidence of safety failings doesn't sit right with me. The families have been going through hell these last few years they should at least deserve to get it The only thing that should have happened is both companies should have been at the inquest the operators and TfL.
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Post by richard on Jul 22, 2021 20:15:58 GMT
Whilst I can only express sorrow towards the family, I did find some things odd about this. I remember after the crash, they put further speed limits across the network when that had nothing to do with the crash and was down to the driver falling asleep at the wheel due to exhaustion from a culture at Tramlink of overworking staff - the old limits were perfectly fine. I agree the limits was fine but what I think they should have had on the Trams is a dead man's handle of some sort similar to what LUL has.
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