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Post by routew15 on Feb 19, 2020 23:11:38 GMT
I wonder if there are underline plans to withdraw the107. First the 384 proposal to Edgware alongside a possible 324 to RNOH Can't see the 107 being withdrawn, it would break links in the Borehamwood area and the 324 extension is only a short one Agreed. Although I cite the 384 a substitute of sorts on the Edgware/Barnet link, and then the 292 and 107 were both identified by TFL last year as having spare capacity. the 324 is most likely linked to RNOH redevelopment and improved access but could equally be seen as a direct replacement of a section of the 107 to the London boundary. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little... but it does strike me as a little odd. Could be that HCC funding has slipped and the 107 is the weak link... but that is purely me spit balling
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 23:12:12 GMT
27 February 2020- agenda and papers document has been published today and following new upcoming consultations are: - Changes to routes E1 and H28- will be very interesting to see what changes TFL propose to these routes, I can see the E1 extending to Osterley and the H28 being cut back - Routes 161 and 386- rerouting in Woolwich town centre- don't know when TFL will release this consultation - A41 Finchley Road (Hendon Way to College Crescent) bus priority scheme - Goresbrook Road- Bus priority scheme and reroute of route 287 E1 tender result will be very interesting then !
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Post by VWH1414 on Feb 19, 2020 23:34:12 GMT
Can't see the 107 being withdrawn, it would break links in the Borehamwood area and the 324 extension is only a short one Agreed. Although I cite the 384 a substitute of sorts on the Edgware/Barnet link, and then the 292 and 107 were both identified by TFL last year as having spare capacity. the 324 is most likely linked to RNOH redevelopment and improved access but could equally be seen as a direct replacement of a section of the 107 to the London boundary. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little... but it does strike me as a little odd. Could be that HCC funding has slipped and the 107 is the weak link... but that is purely me spit balling Withdrawing the 107 would be a complete mistake - sure you can replace the RNOH section with the 324, but thats a very tiny proportion of the route - The link between Edgware and RNOH/Elstree would disappear, the link between Elstree/Borehamwood and Barnet/New Barnet would also disappear. Whilst the 107/292 may have spare capacity, both are well used, especially by residents in Borehamwood/Elstree, for whom it may be their main link to certain areas in London like Edgware. Every time I've used the 292 in peak times between Borehamwood and Edgware the route is packed with school kids and workers etc. Borehamwood has also seen a lot of redevelopment recently - so I'd be surprised if they started cutting bus links to there. I do feel they should extend the 384 though - but leave it serving the side roads in Barnet rather than cutting that. Or maybe another route in Barnet. I say this because getting to Barnet from Edgware/Mill Hill can be a nightmare - the 107 goes round the houses and takes ages to get to Barnet and the only other (Using TfL Services) is by getting the 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone Station and getting the Northern Line, which is annoying and also you have to then pay for bus and tube, rather than just 1 bus.
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Post by routew15 on Feb 20, 2020 1:17:41 GMT
Agreed. Although I cite the 384 a substitute of sorts on the Edgware/Barnet link, and then the 292 and 107 were both identified by TFL last year as having spare capacity. the 324 is most likely linked to RNOH redevelopment and improved access but could equally be seen as a direct replacement of a section of the 107 to the London boundary. Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little... but it does strike me as a little odd. Could be that HCC funding has slipped and the 107 is the weak link... but that is purely me spit balling Withdrawing the 107 would be a complete mistake - sure you can replace the RNOH section with the 324, but thats a very tiny proportion of the route - The link between Edgware and RNOH/Elstree would disappear, the link between Elstree/Borehamwood and Barnet/New Barnet would also disappear. Whilst the 107/292 may have spare capacity, both are well used, especially by residents in Borehamwood/Elstree, for whom it may be their main link to certain areas in London like Edgware. Every time I've used the 292 in peak times between Borehamwood and Edgware the route is packed with school kids and workers etc. Borehamwood has also seen a lot of redevelopment recently - so I'd be surprised if they started cutting bus links to there. I do feel they should extend the 384 though - but leave it serving the side roads in Barnet rather than cutting that. Or maybe another route in Barnet. I say this because getting to Barnet from Edgware/Mill Hill can be a nightmare - the 107 goes round the houses and takes ages to get to Barnet and the only other (Using TfL Services) is by getting the 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone Station and getting the Northern Line, which is annoying and also you have to then pay for bus and tube, rather than just 1 bus. It would definitely be a mistake and would dismantle outer London bus usage in this area. I’m not supporting / advocating a 107 withdrawal but it just appears to me that perfect storm is brewing for a major change for this route when you consider the possible extension of the 384 and the 324.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Feb 20, 2020 10:02:57 GMT
Withdrawing the 107 would be a complete mistake - sure you can replace the RNOH section with the 324, but thats a very tiny proportion of the route - The link between Edgware and RNOH/Elstree would disappear, the link between Elstree/Borehamwood and Barnet/New Barnet would also disappear. Whilst the 107/292 may have spare capacity, both are well used, especially by residents in Borehamwood/Elstree, for whom it may be their main link to certain areas in London like Edgware. Every time I've used the 292 in peak times between Borehamwood and Edgware the route is packed with school kids and workers etc. Borehamwood has also seen a lot of redevelopment recently - so I'd be surprised if they started cutting bus links to there. I do feel they should extend the 384 though - but leave it serving the side roads in Barnet rather than cutting that. Or maybe another route in Barnet. I say this because getting to Barnet from Edgware/Mill Hill can be a nightmare - the 107 goes round the houses and takes ages to get to Barnet and the only other (Using TfL Services) is by getting the 251 to Totteridge & Whetstone Station and getting the Northern Line, which is annoying and also you have to then pay for bus and tube, rather than just 1 bus. It would definitely be a mistake and would dismantle outer London bus usage in this area. I’m not supporting / advocating a 107 withdrawal but it just appears to me that perfect storm is brewing for a major change for this route when you consider the possible extension of the 384 and the 324. I agree. The possible extensions of the 324 and the 384 effectively could spell the end of the 107. A view I’ve shared for many months and people laugh it off, but let’s face it, we’ve seen strange things on the bus network when it comes to decision making.
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Post by busman on Feb 20, 2020 10:42:30 GMT
27 February 2020- agenda and papers document has been published today and following new upcoming consultations are: - Changes to routes E1 and H28- will be very interesting to see what changes TFL propose to these routes, I can see the E1 extending to Osterley and the H28 being cut back - Routes 161 and 386- rerouting in Woolwich town centre- don't know when TFL will release this consultation - A41 Finchley Road (Hendon Way to College Crescent) bus priority scheme - Goresbrook Road- Bus priority scheme and reroute of route 287 Link?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 10:49:44 GMT
27 February 2020- agenda and papers document has been published today and following new upcoming consultations are: - Changes to routes E1 and H28- will be very interesting to see what changes TFL propose to these routes, I can see the E1 extending to Osterley and the H28 being cut back - Routes 161 and 386- rerouting in Woolwich town centre- don't know when TFL will release this consultation - A41 Finchley Road (Hendon Way to College Crescent) bus priority scheme - Goresbrook Road- Bus priority scheme and reroute of route 287 Link? content.tfl.gov.uk/csopp-20200227-public-agenda-pack.pdf on page 124
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Post by snowman on Feb 20, 2020 14:41:15 GMT
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 20, 2020 14:56:57 GMT
It would definitely be a mistake and would dismantle outer London bus usage in this area. I’m not supporting / advocating a 107 withdrawal but it just appears to me that perfect storm is brewing for a major change for this route when you consider the possible extension of the 384 and the 324. I agree. The possible extensions of the 324 and the 384 effectively could spell the end of the 107. A view I’ve shared for many months and people laugh it off, but let’s face it, we’ve seen strange things on the bus network when it comes to decision making. IF the 107 ever got withdrawn, I would also see the 292 get withdrawn as well and see both routes merged into one, with the route being Edgware to Stirling Corner via 292 then via 107 to Barnet. However, I don’t see either get withdrawn anytime soon considering how popular they are in the Borehamwood area.
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Post by britishguy54 on Feb 20, 2020 15:05:36 GMT
Goresbrook Road- Bus priority scheme and reroute of route 287 Changes will probably be happening because of A13 traffic and there will probably be a frequency increase and new stands
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 20, 2020 18:57:12 GMT
27 February 2020- agenda and papers document has been published today and following new upcoming consultations are: - Changes to routes E1 and H28- will be very interesting to see what changes TFL propose to these routes, I can see the E1 extending to Osterley and the H28 being cut back - Routes 161 and 386- rerouting in Woolwich town centre- don't know when TFL will release this consultation - A41 Finchley Road (Hendon Way to College Crescent) bus priority scheme - Goresbrook Road- Bus priority scheme and reroute of route 287 Link? cant see anything on the TfL website about the 287 changes, but no doubt something will come out. Maybe diverting the 287 away from the A13 onto Goresbrook Village will quash the proposed EL4
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 20, 2020 21:32:36 GMT
27 February 2020- agenda and papers document has been published today and following new upcoming consultations are: - Changes to routes E1 and H28- will be very interesting to see what changes TFL propose to these routes, I can see the E1 extending to Osterley and the H28 being cut back - Routes 161 and 386- rerouting in Woolwich town centre- don't know when TFL will release this consultation - A41 Finchley Road (Hendon Way to College Crescent) bus priority scheme - Goresbrook Road- Bus priority scheme and reroute of route 287 Interesting to see the E1 now being proposed for an extension to Osterley. I think this will be a welcome addition on South Ealing Road to assist the 65 and spread the loads out more evenly, as well as creating a useful north-south link across Ealing Broadway. However, there is the issue of the E1's reliability worsening, which in turn will lead to far worse overcrowding than there already is leaving Ealing Broadway during the peaks - its not unheard of for buses to leave people behind.
It’s going to cost a bit, the E1 is high frequency and extending that all the way to Osterley will be quite resource intensive. Much better than the original offering of extending the 112 though.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 20, 2020 21:38:39 GMT
LOTS TLB today features details of some further outer London enhancements:
256 converted to DD in new contract 183 increase in Mon-Sat daytime frequency 200 increase in Sunday daytime and evening frequency 212 increase in Mon-Sat daytime frequency - although TfL website suggests Mon-Fri only
TfL website also includes increase in evening frequency on all nights of the week for route 444.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 20, 2020 21:41:54 GMT
Maybe the Worlds end stand cant be used anymore. If anything I'd rather the route was extended via the Chelsea Harbour to Clapham junction and remove the C3. That's a possibility although the C3 picks up quite a few passengers at Earls Court Tesco. An extension of the 328 across Battersea Bridge would make interchange with the 49,319 and 345 easier. Would prefer route C3 to be extended to White City, although that would mean that southbound buses would no longer pick up outside Tesco.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 20, 2020 22:58:51 GMT
That's a possibility although the C3 picks up quite a few passengers at Earls Court Tesco. An extension of the 328 across Battersea Bridge would make interchange with the 49,319 and 345 easier. Would prefer route C3 to be extended to White City, although that would mean that southbound buses would no longer pick up outside Tesco. Certainly a better idea than the 328 proposal.
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