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Post by wirewiper on Jul 8, 2020 13:44:39 GMT
An excellent idea. It is easy enough to divert the 319 and G1 via Bolingbroke Grove at weekends.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2020 13:46:40 GMT
Another set of ideas that haven't entirely been thought through - just shows how public transport is never considered at all in these types of proposal. Yes it may be temporary (and I have my doubts on that, I suspect it's a permanent change) but you simply increase journey times for bus passengers, make access harder for locals who use the bus and the other surrounding roads become more congested as the result of displaced traffic in the case of Northcote Road - Old York Road won't have that last issue. The issue Old York Road does have unlike Northcote Road is make access to Wandsworth Town station harder by bus with the 28 & 44 presumably now running via Swandon Way.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 8, 2020 14:06:49 GMT
Another set of ideas that haven't entirely been thought through - just shows how public transport is never considered at all in these types of proposal. Yes it may be temporary (and I have my doubts on that, I suspect it's a permanent change) but you simply increase journey times for bus passengers, make access harder for locals who use the bus and the other surrounding roads become more congested as the result of displaced traffic in the case of Northcote Road - Old York Road won't have that last issue. The issue Old York Road does have unlike Northcote Road is make access to Wandsworth Town station harder by bus with the 28 & 44 presumably now running via Swandon Way. It is all about supporting small businesses at the moment and making sure they survive and people keep their livelihoods.
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Post by TB123 on Jul 8, 2020 14:14:44 GMT
Another set of ideas that haven't entirely been thought through - just shows how public transport is never considered at all in these types of proposal. Yes it may be temporary (and I have my doubts on that, I suspect it's a permanent change) but you simply increase journey times for bus passengers, make access harder for locals who use the bus and the other surrounding roads become more congested as the result of displaced traffic in the case of Northcote Road - Old York Road won't have that last issue. The issue Old York Road does have unlike Northcote Road is make access to Wandsworth Town station harder by bus with the 28 & 44 presumably now running via Swandon Way. It is all about supporting small businesses at the moment and making sure they survive and people keep their livelihoods. And they will struggle to survive if many of their customers are restricted from easily arriving by public transport.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 8, 2020 14:17:51 GMT
It is all about supporting small businesses at the moment and making sure they survive and people keep their livelihoods. And they will struggle to survive if many of their customers are restricted from easily arriving by public transport. And they will struggle to survive if they are unable to serve many of their customers ... and is it really that restrictive
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Post by LK65EBO on Jul 8, 2020 14:23:33 GMT
In Southall, the 120 towards Northolt has been re-routed via Montague Waye and Western Road, due to the section of King Street between Western Road and Norwood Road becoming one-way since Monday 8 June (to allow wider pavements for social distancing). The two stops on this section have been added into the route, and appear on maps + countdown predictions, so the closure + associated re-route is to be there for quite a while. Well the diversion in Feltham has been going on for 3 years now... Still haven't finished the works. One side of the bridge above Feltham Station is open (buses going to Sunbury, Staines ect.) leaving the other side (buses going to Hounslow, Brentford, Heathrow ect.) closed. I'm not sure why there was such a huge delay but I heard a digger fell down into the Lidl Car Park beneath the bridge.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2020 14:51:28 GMT
And they will struggle to survive if many of their customers are restricted from easily arriving by public transport. And they will struggle to survive if they are unable to serve many of their customers ... and is it really that restrictive Are you seriously trying to suggest that the road being open to traffic will mean they will struggle to survive? If you don't get footfall, you will certainly struggle to survive and public transport plays a part in that. One pub owner on the ITV news said that whilst the government schemes are welcome, I will struggle for footfall because of negativity around public transport. Instead, the only winners really are minicabs and Uber are who can simply drop people off in the side roads off Northcote Road this further increasing their stranglehold - passengers not even going to Northcote Road using the 319 & G1 lose let alone locals needing the area for non restaurant & pub reasons as a result of displaced traffic resulting in longer journeys
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 8, 2020 15:08:13 GMT
And they will struggle to survive if they are unable to serve many of their customers ... and is it really that restrictive Are you seriously trying to suggest that the road being open to traffic will mean they will struggle to survive? If you don't get footfall, you will certainly struggle to survive and public transport plays a part in that. One pub owner on the ITV news said that whilst the government schemes are welcome, I will struggle for footfall because of negativity around public transport. Instead, the only winners really are minicabs and Uber are who can simply drop people off in the side roads off Northcote Road this further increasing their stranglehold - passengers not even going to Northcote Road using the 319 & G1 lose let alone locals needing the area for non restaurant & pub reasons as a result of displaced traffic resulting in longer journeys Social distancing means massively reduced capacity for many restaurants and bars, the extra capacity offered by the alfresco dining could make a huge difference to survivability. If with the extra space you can accommodate 80% of your normal clientele instead of 40% without it, does it really matter if 10% of your custom could not get there ... but doubling your revenue could make an big difference for the businesses survival chances. Good to see some positive action being taken by a council to boost and support their local businesses. The negativity around public transport is not something that will go away over night, so better to exploit the positives rather than lick your wounds over the negatives. Most important thing at the moment is to get the economy moving again. Better to get those areas which can recover fairly quickly working to their maximum potential, than get the areas which have been severely wounded (especially from within) and have a long slow recovery path holding the former back.
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Post by routew15 on Jul 8, 2020 17:09:31 GMT
Another set of ideas that haven't entirely been thought through - just shows how public transport is never considered at all in these types of proposal. Yes it may be temporary (and I have my doubts on that, I suspect it's a permanent change) but you simply increase journey times for bus passengers, make access harder for locals who use the bus and the other surrounding roads become more congested as the result of displaced traffic in the case of Northcote Road - Old York Road won't have that last issue. The issue Old York Road does have unlike Northcote Road is make access to Wandsworth Town station harder by bus with the 28 & 44 presumably now running via Swandon Way. I think the Old York Road changes are ok. Northbound buses still serve the station. Southbound the station is still a reasonable walk from Swandon Way. Northcote Road changes appear drastic on paper but are just for two days a week. Displaced traffic will likely dissipate in time, first few months will need getting used too.
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Post by routew15 on Jul 8, 2020 17:53:16 GMT
It is all about supporting small businesses at the moment and making sure they survive and people keep their livelihoods. And they will struggle to survive if many of their customers are restricted from easily arriving by public transport. in most cases this will not affect footfall, as many will already walk after getting off of public transport.
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Post by redbus on Jul 8, 2020 18:45:35 GMT
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the road being open to traffic will mean they will struggle to survive? If you don't get footfall, you will certainly struggle to survive and public transport plays a part in that. One pub owner on the ITV news said that whilst the government schemes are welcome, I will struggle for footfall because of negativity around public transport. Instead, the only winners really are minicabs and Uber are who can simply drop people off in the side roads off Northcote Road this further increasing their stranglehold - passengers not even going to Northcote Road using the 319 & G1 lose let alone locals needing the area for non restaurant & pub reasons as a result of displaced traffic resulting in longer journeys Social distancing means massively reduced capacity for many restaurants and bars, the extra capacity offered by the alfresco dining could make a huge difference to survivability. If with the extra space you can accommodate 80% of your normal clientele instead of 40% without it, does it really matter if 10% of your custom could not get there ... but doubling your revenue could make an big difference for the businesses survival chances. Good to see some positive action being taken by a council to boost and support their local businesses. The negativity around public transport is not something that will go away over night, so better to exploit the positives rather than lick your wounds over the negatives. Most important thing at the moment is to get the economy moving again. Better to get those areas which can recover fairly quickly working to their maximum potential, than get the areas which have been severely wounded (especially from within) and have a long slow recovery path holding the former back. You are both right - it is a question of balance. Somehow we have to get these businesses going again, but also people need to get around otherwise they will never get to these businesses. I am not sure we have the best solutions and somehow we need to find a way to reduce social distancing safely that will allow these businesses to serve more customers and get people back onto public transport with more people on each bus / train. This will help fill some of these establishments, but as you say they need the space to accommodate the customers. A certain amount of bus priority measures are needed as part of the temporary measures to get people into town. Another problem restaurants have is rent. Too much of their fixed costs are rent and rates meaning they need to continually run near capacity to make money. I don't claim to have all the answers, and none of this is easy.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jul 8, 2020 23:41:48 GMT
With Wandsworth Council joining in on the Low Traffic Neighborhood (😞😡) scheme, there are 2 roads (Dover House Road & Genoa Avenue) that are currently used by buses that would be affected. Does anyone know about any diversions for the 424 (Genoa Avenue*) & 430 (Dover House Road)? (*424 may be unaffected depending on what part of genoa Avenue gets blocked off)
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2020 23:48:45 GMT
With Wandsworth Council joining in on the Low Traffic Neighborhood (😞😡) scheme, there are 2 roads (Dover House Road & Genoa Avenue) that are currently used by buses that would be affected. Does anyone know about any diversions for the 424 (Genoa Avenue*) & 430 (Dover House Road)? (*424 may be unaffected depending on what part of genoa Avenue gets blocked off) If they implement it like the Railton Road scheme, then they'll still have full access like the 322 continues to do along Railton Road - where the impact will be felt is on the nearest cut through and/or main roads who will likely see an increase of traffic.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jul 8, 2020 23:55:45 GMT
With Wandsworth Council joining in on the Low Traffic Neighborhood (😞😡) scheme, there are 2 roads (Dover House Road & Genoa Avenue) that are currently used by buses that would be affected. Does anyone know about any diversions for the 424 (Genoa Avenue*) & 430 (Dover House Road)? (*424 may be unaffected depending on what part of genoa Avenue gets blocked off) If they implement it like the Railton Road scheme, then they'll still have full access like the 322 continues to do along Railton Road - where the impact will be felt is on the nearest cut through and/or main roads who will likely see an increase of traffic. Good point, I'm just worried that they'll stick planters all over the road with a road closed sign at the planters like the one in Lewisham that ended up on the news. Unfortunately with Dover House Road, cars will just divert to a very narrow road going alongside Putney Park Lane which is used by many cyclists as the lane itself is too uneven to properly ride a bike on. Lowering safety!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2020 2:10:35 GMT
If they implement it like the Railton Road scheme, then they'll still have full access like the 322 continues to do along Railton Road - where the impact will be felt is on the nearest cut through and/or main roads who will likely see an increase of traffic. Good point, I'm just worried that they'll stick planters all over the road with a road closed sign at the planters like the one in Lewisham that ended up on the news. Unfortunately with Dover House Road, cars will just divert to a very narrow road going alongside Putney Park Lane which is used by many cyclists as the lane itself is too uneven to properly ride a bike on. Lowering safety! Lambeth have done similar although they have put cameras up and no motor vehicles signs such as this one at Shakespear Road, a popular cut through to miss out the traffic in Brixton when travelling to King's College Hospital - www.brixtonbuzz.com/2020/07/residents-demand-disabled-access-for-brixton-herne-hill-low-traffic-neighbourhood-scheme-july-2020/
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