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Post by DT 11 on Oct 28, 2014 15:17:52 GMT
Apparently the 7/N7 will be permanently withdrawn from Russell Square & Oxford Circus and replaced by the 98/N98 from 01.11.14
Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 29, 2014 10:51:50 GMT
I thought it was temporary due to the roadworks on New Oxford Street. What I find strange is the decision to divert the 98 to Russell Square, why not just divert the 7 as it terminates there anyway and curtail the 98 to Oxford Circus instead?
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 29, 2014 11:42:32 GMT
I thought it was temporary due to the roadworks on New Oxford Street. What I find strange is the decision to divert the 98 to Russell Square, why not just divert the 7 as it terminates there anyway and curtail the 98 to Oxford Circus instead? That is what I thought, but according to a post of the Yahoo group it is to become a Permanent withdrawal taking effect this weekend.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 31, 2014 21:43:34 GMT
7/N7 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Russell Square. New timetable. PVR changed to 19. (311014)¶ 1 November
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Post by Nathan on Oct 31, 2014 22:31:00 GMT
7/N7 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Russell Square. New timetable. PVR changed to 19. (311014)¶ 1 November As far as londonbusroutes.net knows, there's no replacement for the lost section.
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Post by COBO on Oct 31, 2014 22:35:50 GMT
7/N7 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Russell Square. New timetable. PVR changed to 19. (311014)¶ 1 November As far as londonbusroutes.net knows, there's no replacement for the lost section. Route 98 / N98 will be the replacement.
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Post by Nathan on Oct 31, 2014 22:39:45 GMT
As far as londonbusroutes.net knows, there's no replacement for the lost section. Route 98 / N98 will be the replacement. Yes, temporarily. Not permanently.
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Post by COBO on Oct 31, 2014 22:41:59 GMT
Route 98 / N98 will be the replacement. Yes, temporarily. Not permanently. I see.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 31, 2014 22:59:16 GMT
I heard the 98 was going to become permanent as well
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Post by vjaska on Oct 31, 2014 23:46:54 GMT
I heard the 98 was going to become permanent as well From what I've heard, the 98 is permanently re-routed to Russell Square but I could be wrong
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 1, 2014 0:34:58 GMT
It would be great to know TFL's rationale behind this decision, because tbh I don't see any logic in this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 9:59:02 GMT
As far as londonbusroutes.net knows, there's no replacement for the lost section. Route 98 / N98 will be the replacement. Am I right in assuming the 98 is lightly used between Red Lion Sq and Oxford St?
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Post by snoggle on Nov 1, 2014 10:59:32 GMT
It would be great to know TFL's rationale behind this decision, because tbh I don't see any logic in this. I think the logic is fairly clear - it takes out more buses on the east arm of Oxford Street, it saves money because fewer buses are needed on the 7 and deploys buses which are fairly empty to cover one corridor (to Russell Square) rather than Holborn where there is still the 25 (and the 8 when it returns to Oxford Circus). The wider questions are whether it is right to break the link from Holborn to West of Oxford Circus and whether you want to break the link from Paddington to east of Oxford Circus. I assume TfL have looked at the data and concluded there are no great problems with breaking yet more links in Zone 1. The side effect is that bus travel in parts of Zone 1 is becoming more expensive than the tube because it requires two or more buses (costing a minimum £2.90) rather than umpteen changes on the tube (costing £2.20 on PAYG). I know Travelcards and Daily Caps get round this but I wonder if people are noticing the creeping effect of TfL's capitulation over Oxford St buses and cuts to free up money for elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 11:04:41 GMT
It would be great to know TFL's rationale behind this decision, because tbh I don't see any logic in this. I think the logic is fairly clear - it takes out more buses on the east arm of Oxford Street, it saves money because fewer buses are needed on the 7 and deploys buses which are fairly empty to cover one corridor (to Russell Square) rather than Holborn where there is still the 25 (and the 8 when it returns to Oxford Circus). The wider questions are whether it is right to break the link from Holborn to West of Oxford Circus and whether you want to break the link from Paddington to east of Oxford Circus. I assume TfL have looked at the data and concluded there are no great problems with breaking yet more links in Zone 1. The side effect is that bus travel in parts of Zone 1 is becoming more expensive than the tube because it requires two or more buses (costing a minimum £2.90) rather than umpteen changes on the tube (costing £2.20 on PAYG). I know Travelcards and Daily Caps get round this but I wonder if people are noticing the creeping effect of TfL's capitulation over Oxford St buses and cuts to free up money for elsewhere. Ultimately Oxford street is doomed because of the continuing rise of Westfield centres. One will probably open in Croydon in the next few years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 15:54:27 GMT
Ultimately Oxford street is doomed because of the continuing rise of Westfield centres. One will probably open in Croydon in the next few years. It is unlikely to be a Westfield as currently it is a collaboration between Westfield and their normal bitter rivals Hammerson ... I imagine it will have a neutral name ... if the unlikely partnership continues.
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