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Post by Volvo on Nov 5, 2014 20:53:12 GMT
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Post by Volvo on Nov 5, 2014 20:56:55 GMT
The new Enviro 200 design looks like something a mainland Europe bus This is what I said
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Post by vjaska on Nov 5, 2014 22:48:58 GMT
Looks nice in red. I'm disappointed to hear that the Enviro 300 is discontinued - it's such a much better vehicle overall compared to the Enviro 200. It rattles less and the ride is far better.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 5, 2014 23:21:03 GMT
Looks nice in red. I'm disappointed to hear that the Enviro 300 is discontinued - it's such a much better vehicle overall compared to the Enviro 200. It rattles less and the ride is far better. It is not fact, more of an asumption given the new 11.8m length and 6.7 ltr 250bhp option which is both the length and engine spec of the current E300 integral.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 5, 2014 23:22:42 GMT
I hope Arriva London get some of the E400's on Voith (which will be same drivetrain as the current DWs) seeing as their preferred StreetDeck will be late to the party with no London spec till next autumn.. I'm sure ADL can drop a Daimler engine in there if they are keen to do so... the red looks okay
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 5, 2014 23:41:30 GMT
I always wondered why the MAN MCV has more power compared to other normal size SDs, assuming so with the Enviro MAN too. Perhaps it's the MAN chassis that gives them a full size SD feel, or is there a particular reason for this? As to why they have more power I have no idea, as MAN also had/have? a 4.6 ltr engine with 177bhp. What I do know is that 6.9 ltr engine is a truck engine and it is definately the solid MAN chassis that gives it that full SD feel. The man chassis is excellent when you get off a ADL E200 and step onto a MAN you notice the solidness straight away or vice versa just a shame that there isn't alot of MAN buses around London, my favourite ones are the Metrobus E200s not only because they are rare but I prefer the sound they make compared to MCV versions. The MAN chassis is solid indeed, it is also responsible for giving the MAN SDs a smooth and comfortable ride, backed up with raw power for speed too. Funny how the MAN Enviro is loud and rattly inside though, it isn't as refined as the MCV in comparison despite having the same chassis, goes to show that Bodywork is also imperative.
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Post by Green Kitten on Nov 5, 2014 23:56:19 GMT
Not sure I like the backs of these MMCs vehicles. Maybe I'll warm to them when seeing the actual vehicle.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 1:26:47 GMT
As to why they have more power I have no idea, as MAN also had/have? a 4.6 ltr engine with 177bhp. What I do know is that 6.9 ltr engine is a truck engine and it is definately the solid MAN chassis that gives it that full SD feel. The man chassis is excellent when you get off a ADL E200 and step onto a MAN you notice the solidness straight away or vice versa just a shame that there isn't alot of MAN buses around London, my favourite ones are the Metrobus E200s not only because they are rare but I prefer the sound they make compared to MCV versions. The MAN chassis is solid indeed, it is also responsible for giving the MAN SDs a smooth and comfortable ride, backed up with raw power for speed too. Funny how the MAN Enviro is loud and rattly inside though, it isn't as refined as the MCV in comparison despite having the same chassis, goes to show that Bodywork is also imperative. Well that's just a problem with the E200 body, mind you when I last went on one of the MAN E200s was on the 202 in late 2012 I think it was 707, YX58DXC and can't remember it rattling.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 1:28:05 GMT
Not sure I like the backs of these MMCs vehicles. Maybe I'll warm to them when seeing the actual vehicle. I was the same when I saw the expo pics of the E200 but when I saw the images on ADLs website it looks more appealing.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 1:30:48 GMT
I hope Arriva London get some of the E400's on Voith (which will be same drivetrain as the current DWs) seeing as their preferred StreetDeck will be late to the party with no London spec till next autumn.. I'm sure ADL can drop a Daimler engine in there if they are keen to do so... the red looks okay Totally with you on the new E400 but that is where the similarities end I'm affraid. Volvo B5TL for me, I am interested in seeing the Streetdeck with a daimler engine though but on ZF. Reason I say that is due to alot of bus services being slow these days I cannot take the drone of a voith gearbox. I like voith gearboxes when vehicles are thrashed.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 6, 2014 2:55:42 GMT
The MAN chassis is solid indeed, it is also responsible for giving the MAN SDs a smooth and comfortable ride, backed up with raw power for speed too. Funny how the MAN Enviro is loud and rattly inside though, it isn't as refined as the MCV in comparison despite having the same chassis, goes to show that Bodywork is also imperative. Well that's just a problem with the E200 body, mind you when I last went on one of the MAN E200s was on the 202 in late 2012 I think it was 707, YX58DXC and can't remember it rattling. Those Metrobus MAN Enviro 200's do feel more solid and durable and now with the T32 being withdrawn and them most likely going to the 359, they could be fun up the hills around Sanderstead.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 8:53:15 GMT
Well that's just a problem with the E200 body, mind you when I last went on one of the MAN E200s was on the 202 in late 2012 I think it was 707, YX58DXC and can't remember it rattling. Those Metrobus MAN Enviro 200's do feel more solid and durable and now with the T32 being withdrawn and them most likely going to the 359, they could be fun up the hills around Sanderstead. Didn't find them fun on Hadley Drive towards New Addington when I had 706 YX58DXB iirc..... as it just mullured it lol, though that isn't much of a hill.
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Post by snowman on Nov 6, 2014 10:08:59 GMT
The old 9.3m - 9.6m are dead, its now 9.75m, even the short one is virtually 9m long at 8.995m The fact the next size is now virtually 10.5m might cause some problems for routes that couldn't take much longer than 10.2m However I do wonder how many we will see to TfL spec, I've just scanned the list of tenders which has contract dates through to Spring 2016 and there isn't much (or more precisely, not many using euro3 single decks). Metroline need something for recent Uxbridge wins, but with loss of 326 can cover the remaining Caetanos and older Pointer Darts with existing E200s The 285, 116, A10 could see some, but whilst 285 will get something new, I think there will be pressure to generally keep euro4 (and above) single deckers on outer London routes for a few more years due to Cost pressures. The central routes are likely to go electric (and there is enough fringe Central area to replace all remaining Euro3 single decks). Assuming the MECs are displaced I don't see much need for new diesel single decks (yes there will be small batches scattered around, but not hundreds ordered). Therefore would expect to see London ones more like this virtual electricTo be honest I would expect ADL to sell big numbers of the longer single decks in direct competition to Streetlite max and Versa max on provincial routes, cant see many 9.7m and 10.4m versions selling (especially as Operators can easily get secondhand buses about 10m long or displace their own ones). My only other comment is I note the spec has a composite roof to try and avoid condensation, something that has been a bugbear to many readers for years.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 6, 2014 10:54:47 GMT
Looking at the seating layout on the 10.5 and 10.8m province spec versions I am taking a educated guess seeing as there is no layout diagram for a dual door spec strangely, that the 10.5 to London spec is 33 seated and 10.8m being 35 seated.
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 6, 2014 11:13:55 GMT
Well that's just a problem with the E200 body, mind you when I last went on one of the MAN E200s was on the 202 in late 2012 I think it was 707, YX58DXC and can't remember it rattling. Those Metrobus MAN Enviro 200's do feel more solid and durable and now with the T32 being withdrawn and them most likely going to the 359, they could be fun up the hills around Sanderstead. Yes hills are not an obstacle for the MAN Enviros, they are very loud when being revved to the max due to the immense power. They are fun on the 130 up and down Shirley Hills Road lol.
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