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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 29, 2020 10:42:52 GMT
I didn't want to start a new thread so I thought I would post it here. What is the theoretically the oldest tube stock that could have worked on the ATO system? I'm guessing on the three 86 stock prototypes that were used on the Jubilee Line in the late 80s. By ATO do you mean Transmissions Based Train Control (TBTC) in use on the Jubilee and Northern lines? If so then it would only have been the 95/96 stocks as their predecessors had long been replaced by the time of resignalling 2012 for the Jubilee and 2015 I think for the Northern. Oldest stock to use ATO in service on LU would have been the trial using R stock on the District line between Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park in 1963 which led on to the 1960 Tube stock being converted for testing on the Hainault Loop.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 29, 2020 11:22:01 GMT
I didn't want to start a new thread so I thought I would post it here. What is the theoretically the oldest tube stock that could have worked on the ATO system? I'm guessing on the three 86 stock prototypes that were used on the Jubilee Line in the late 80s. By ATO do you mean Transmissions Based Train Control (TBTC) in use on the Jubilee and Northern lines? If so then it would only have been the 95/96 stocks as their predecessors had long been replaced by the time of resignalling 2012 for the Jubilee and 2015 I think for the Northern. Oldest stock to use ATO in service on LU would have been the trial using CP stock on the District line between Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park in 1963 which led on to the 1960 Tube stock being converted for testing on the Hainault Loop. I did indeed mean the system used on the Northern and Jubilee Lines but I've just remembered the system with the Victoria Line's 67 stock, which I am guessing the Hainault loop testing gave birth to?
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 29, 2020 11:45:04 GMT
By ATO do you mean Transmissions Based Train Control (TBTC) in use on the Jubilee and Northern lines? If so then it would only have been the 95/96 stocks as their predecessors had long been replaced by the time of resignalling 2012 for the Jubilee and 2015 I think for the Northern. Oldest stock to use ATO in service on LU would have been the trial using R stock on the District line between Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park in 1963 which led on to the 1960 Tube stock being converted for testing on the Hainault Loop. I did indeed mean the system used on the northern and Jubilee Lines but I've just remembered the system with the Victoria Line's 67 stock, which I am guessing the Hainault loop testing gave birth to? Yes, the success of District line trials inspired confidence for the Hainault Loop which is what was eventually used for the Vic. So in terms of your question, the first whole fleet using ATO was the 67 stock, first tube stock in passenger service was the 60 stock and the first passenger train as mentioned above was an R.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 2, 2020 18:37:30 GMT
I did indeed mean the system used on the northern and Jubilee Lines but I've just remembered the system with the Victoria Line's 67 stock, which I am guessing the Hainault loop testing gave birth to? Yes, the success of District line trials inspired confidence for the Hainault Loop which is what was eventually used for the Vic. So in terms of your question, the first whole fleet using ATO was the 67 stock, first tube stock in passenger service was the 60 stock and the first passenger train as mentioned above was the CP's. just one District R Stock was fitted for ATO.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jul 2, 2020 20:57:26 GMT
Dstock7080 , Thanks for the correction, amended accordingly.
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 3, 2020 0:37:56 GMT
Yes, the success of District line trials inspired confidence for the Hainault Loop which is what was eventually used for the Vic. So in terms of your question, the first whole fleet using ATO was the 67 stock, first tube stock in passenger service was the 60 stock and the first passenger train as mentioned above was the CP's. just one District R Stock was fitted for ATO. Amazing to think that there was technology in the 60s enabling ATO .
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Post by redbus on Jul 3, 2020 20:16:59 GMT
just one District R Stock was fitted for ATO. Amazing to think that there was technology in the 60s enabling ATO . Don't get man set foot on the moon in the 1960s!
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Post by M1104 on Jul 5, 2020 11:23:46 GMT
Amazing to think that there was technology in the 60s enabling ATO . Don't get man set foot on the moon in the 1960s! Assuming that wasn't a hoax in a big studio set lol
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Post by routew15 on Jul 6, 2020 18:27:52 GMT
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Post by M1104 on Sept 8, 2020 0:46:20 GMT
Jubilee Line's 96108 reported stuck earlier today (Monday September 7th) in relation to passenger action, hence the proximity of the second train. Photo credit to Mike Reid at Saint John's Wood Station.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 8, 2020 12:06:16 GMT
Jubilee Line's 96108 reported stuck earlier today (Monday September 7th) in relation to passenger action, hence the proximity of the second train. Photo credit to Mike Reid at Saint John's Wood Station. At least the people who missed the first train won’t wait long for the next.
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Post by richard on Sept 8, 2020 13:53:30 GMT
Jubilee Line's 96108 reported stuck earlier today (Monday September 7th) in relation to passenger action, hence the proximity of the second train. Photo credit to Mike Reid at Saint John's Wood Station. Now it's not everyday you see that! Was this due to the one under yesterday at Baker Street?
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Post by M1104 on Sept 8, 2020 16:04:49 GMT
Jubilee Line's 96108 reported stuck earlier today (Monday September 7th) in relation to passenger action, hence the proximity of the second train. Photo credit to Mike Reid at Saint John's Wood Station. Now it's not everyday you see that! Was this due to the one under yesterday at Baker Street? I'm not entirely sure but could likely be, it being the next eastbound stop.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 9, 2020 11:14:34 GMT
Thought I'd put my query here as it's as good a place as any. How was it decided which stations have a curtailment point with a siding for reversing trains back along journeys? For example, Colindale is the third to last stop on the Edgware branch with Tooting Broadway being the fourth to last on the Morden leg. So, for example why wasn't Hendon Central or Collier's Wood selected as a turning point with a siding?
Also, do the relevant trains do the Kennington Loop an even amount of times to prevent trains ending up the wrong way round at depots...or does it not matter? Same query to Piccadilly Line trains around the Heathrow Terminal 4 Loop.
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Post by John tuthill on Sept 9, 2020 11:39:29 GMT
Thought I'd put my query here as it's as good a place as any. How was it decided which stations have a curtailment point with a siding for reversing trains back along journeys? For example, Colindale is the third to last stop on the Edgware branch with Tooting Broadway being the fourth to last on the Morden leg. So, for example why wasn't Hendon Central or Collier's Wood selected as a turning point with a siding? Also, do the rekevant trains do the Kennington Loop an even amount of times to prevent trains ending up the wrong way round at depots...or does it not matter? Same query to Piccadilly Line trains around the Heathrow Terminal 4 loop. Just an idle thought, does 'Colindale' date back to the Hendon Airshows? Other 'younger' readers will know this better than me, the Northern Line stock isn't "handed" anymore?
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