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Post by M1104 on May 27, 2017 9:19:14 GMT
Not sure if I've already asked this (apologies if I have) but why was Knightsbridge Station refurbished to look a bit like those along the Jubilee Line extension? Seems a bit odd that only that station has been done on that section of the Piccadilly Line. Are others stations planned in future?
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Post by snoggle on May 27, 2017 18:19:47 GMT
Not sure if I've already asked this (apologies if I have) but why was Knightsbridge Station refurbished to look a bit like those along the Jubilee Line extension? Seems a bit odd that only that station has been done on that section of the Piccadilly Line. Are others stations planned in future? I think Knightsbridge got "special" (i.e. ghastly) treatment because it's a very busy station that was showing distinct signs of decay. Furthermore I think there was some private money because of the link to the billionaire's palace (One Hyde Park) built by the Candy Brothers. That was all lovely until something went wrong when the entire JNP Contract Team (except me) was at Christmas Dinner and the local station staff were going bezerk that the station might have to close on a busy Christmas shopping day. That was a fun afternoon - not! Anyway they decided to tart up Knightsbridge off the back of trying to keep it "in tune" with its posh neighbours. Unfortunately many other stations nearby were run by Sub Surface and all their station modernisation and refurb monies vanished a number of years ago. To be honest station spending always gets cut first because it is easy to limp along with grotty walls and leaks while it is not easy if the track is cracking, the signal cables are on fire and the points won't move. Things needed to keep trains running will always get the money until such time as it becomes untenable NOT to do something in stations. I am not fully up to speed with where stations refurbs are these days but I suspect that not a lot is being done and certainly nothing relatively "different" like Knightsbridge. Many station refurbs seem to consist of making stations look like hospitals - miles and miles of white wall tiling with grey floor tiles and the occasional splash of blue. Look at the mess they've made of Sloane Square for example.
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Post by Hassaan on May 28, 2017 1:01:05 GMT
Not sure if I've already asked this (apologies if I have) but why was Knightsbridge Station refurbished to look a bit like those along the Jubilee Line extension? Seems a bit odd that only that station has been done on that section of the Piccadilly Line. Are others stations planned in future? I think Knightsbridge got "special" (i.e. ghastly) treatment because it's a very busy station that was showing distinct signs of decay. Furthermore I think there was some private money because of the link to the billionaire's palace (One Hyde Park) built by the Candy Brothers. That was all lovely until something went wrong when the entire JNP Contract Team (except me) was at Christmas Dinner and the local station staff were going bezerk that the station might have to close on a busy Christmas shopping day. That was a fun afternoon - not! Anyway they decided to tart up Knightsbridge off the back of trying to keep it "in tune" with its posh neighbours. Unfortunately many other stations nearby were run by Sub Surface and all their station modernisation and refurb monies vanished a number of years ago. To be honest station spending always gets cut first because it is easy to limp along with grotty walls and leaks while it is not easy if the track is cracking, the signal cables are on fire and the points won't move. Things needed to keep trains running will always get the money until such time as it becomes untenable NOT to do something in stations. I am not fully up to speed with where stations refurbs are these days but I suspect that not a lot is being done and certainly nothing relatively "different" like Knightsbridge. Many station refurbs seem to consist of making stations look like hospitals - miles and miles of white wall tiling with grey floor tiles and the occasional splash of blue. Look at the mess they've made of Sloane Square for example. Temple got new tiles last year but they used the same green and cream colours as before. I'm surprised they done that relatively quiet station ahead of Cannon Street, which really has to be one of the worst looking stations on the entire LUL network (and I don't remember Temple being particularly bad). Cannon Street really gives a horrible first impression of the LUL network to those arriving by National Rail. Paddington Bakerloo Line is another bad one, but they appear to be doing some work with the Elizabeth Line ( ) stuff. Although the worst thing there is just the one escalator up, which causes congestion leaving the platforms.
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Post by snoggle on May 28, 2017 8:37:17 GMT
Temple got new tiles last year but they used the same green and cream colours as before. I'm surprised they done that relatively quiet station ahead of Cannon Street, which really has to be one of the worst looking stations on the entire LUL network (and I don't remember Temple being particularly bad). Cannon Street really gives a horrible first impression of the LUL network to those arriving by National Rail. Paddington Bakerloo Line is another bad one, but they appear to be doing some work with the Elizabeth Line ( ) stuff. Although the worst thing there is just the one escalator up, which causes congestion leaving the platforms. If the planned redevelopment of the adjacent Post Office site goes ahead then Paddington Bakerloo will be significantly expanded with new entrances below the redevelopment and there will be extra escalators and lifts within the station to / from platforms. Haven't been to Cannon St for a long while. I thought the ticket hall had been redone? If the platforms are still like the 1970s then I'll probably like it!
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2017 12:00:21 GMT
I think Knightsbridge got "special" (i.e. ghastly) treatment because it's a very busy station that was showing distinct signs of decay. Furthermore I think there was some private money because of the link to the billionaire's palace (One Hyde Park) built by the Candy Brothers. That was all lovely until something went wrong when the entire JNP Contract Team (except me) was at Christmas Dinner and the local station staff were going bezerk that the station might have to close on a busy Christmas shopping day. That was a fun afternoon - not! Anyway they decided to tart up Knightsbridge off the back of trying to keep it "in tune" with its posh neighbours. Unfortunately many other stations nearby were run by Sub Surface and all their station modernisation and refurb monies vanished a number of years ago. To be honest station spending always gets cut first because it is easy to limp along with grotty walls and leaks while it is not easy if the track is cracking, the signal cables are on fire and the points won't move. Things needed to keep trains running will always get the money until such time as it becomes untenable NOT to do something in stations. I am not fully up to speed with where stations refurbs are these days but I suspect that not a lot is being done and certainly nothing relatively "different" like Knightsbridge. Many station refurbs seem to consist of making stations look like hospitals - miles and miles of white wall tiling with grey floor tiles and the occasional splash of blue. Look at the mess they've made of Sloane Square for example. Temple got new tiles last year but they used the same green and cream colours as before. I'm surprised they done that relatively quiet station ahead of Cannon Street, which really has to be one of the worst looking stations on the entire LUL network (and I don't remember Temple being particularly bad). Cannon Street really gives a horrible first impression of the LUL network to those arriving by National Rail. Paddington Bakerloo Line is another bad one, but they appear to be doing some work with the Elizabeth Line ( ) stuff. Although the worst thing there is just the one escalator up, which causes congestion leaving the platforms. I raise your Cannon Street with Redbridge which looks absolutely disgusting. I'd also give a special mention to Wanstead & Euston Square as well.
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Post by routew15 on May 29, 2017 2:59:28 GMT
Temple got new tiles last year but they used the same green and cream colours as before. I'm surprised they done that relatively quiet station ahead of Cannon Street, which really has to be one of the worst looking stations on the entire LUL network (and I don't remember Temple being particularly bad). Cannon Street really gives a horrible first impression of the LUL network to those arriving by National Rail. Paddington Bakerloo Line is another bad one, but they appear to be doing some work with the Elizabeth Line ( ) stuff. Although the worst thing there is just the one escalator up, which causes congestion leaving the platforms. Temple was quite bad. I believe there was quite a bit of water seepage due to the close proximity to the riverside something that affects a few of the station on the part of the Circle / District lines. Cannon Street Ticket Hall is ok, I am not the biggest fan of the 2015 Palette but it works fine in this part of the station unlike the Stratford City entrance which is ghastly . For me Chancery Lane and Stepney Green could do with a face-lift. Although not on the Underground the Northern City stations could do with some 'modernisation' works as well, on a quite day the near deserted nature of these stations and aged decor can be creepy
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Post by TA1 on May 29, 2017 7:02:17 GMT
Temple got new tiles last year but they used the same green and cream colours as before. I'm surprised they done that relatively quiet station ahead of Cannon Street, which really has to be one of the worst looking stations on the entire LUL network (and I don't remember Temple being particularly bad). Cannon Street really gives a horrible first impression of the LUL network to those arriving by National Rail. Paddington Bakerloo Line is another bad one, but they appear to be doing some work with the Elizabeth Line ( ) stuff. Although the worst thing there is just the one escalator up, which causes congestion leaving the platforms. Temple was quite bad. I believe there was quite a bit of water seepage due to the close proximity to the riverside something that affects a few of the station on the part of the Circle / District lines. Cannon Street Ticket Hall is ok, I am not the biggest fan of the 2015 Palette but it works fine in this part of the station unlike the Stratford City entrance which is ghastly . For me Chancery Lane and Stepney Green could do with a face-lift. Although not on the Underground the Northern City stations could do with some 'modernisation' works as well, on a quite day the near deserted nature of these stations and aged decor can be creepy Chqncery Lane is undergoing renoveration works this bank holiday weekend and is closed until end of traffic tonight; I'm a fan of the GN NCL stations, what all the platforms need is a resurface and updated CIS screens, the former WAGN ones are very tempramental. As for changing the NSE livery forget about it, Long live Network South East.
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Post by M1104 on May 29, 2017 11:44:55 GMT
Would love to see what Stockwell Station looked like prior to it's Victoria Line-related refurbishment from the late 1960s. I'm guessing it then looked similar to Oval?
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Post by John tuthill on May 29, 2017 12:27:13 GMT
Would love to see what Stockwell Station looked like prior to it's Victoria Line-related refurbishment from the late 1960s. I'm guessing it then looked similar to Oval? Near enough. I lived around the corner opposite the garage when I was a kid. The only photo I've found on the LT museum site is attached. Try the Lambeth archeives, they have pretty good selection. If I find any more I'll post them. I've posted this memory before, when the northbound Northern line platform was being made good for the Victoria Line, for one day some of the bolt on panels on the route diagram had been removed the previous night, and it showed the route to Alexander Palace! I was tempted to go back up and ask for a ticket! Attachment Deleted
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Post by M1104 on May 29, 2017 12:58:56 GMT
Would love to see what Stockwell Station looked like prior to it's Victoria Line-related refurbishment from the late 1960s. I'm guessing it then looked similar to Oval? Near enough. I lived around the corner opposite the garage when I was a kid. The only photo I've found on the LT museum site is attached. Try the Lambeth archeives, they have pretty good selection. If I find any more I'll post them. I've posted this memory before, when the northbound Northern line platform was being made good for the Victoria Line, for one day some of the bolt on panels on the route diagram had been removed the previous night, and it showed the route to Alexander Palace! I was tempted to go back up and ask for a ticket! View AttachmentI will do so and thanks in advance
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Post by snowman on Jun 1, 2017 5:50:32 GMT
Would love to see what Stockwell Station looked like prior to it's Victoria Line-related refurbishment from the late 1960s. I'm guessing it then looked similar to Oval? Near enough. I lived around the corner opposite the garage when I was a kid. The only photo I've found on the LT museum site is attached. Try the Lambeth archeives, they have pretty good selection. If I find any more I'll post them. I've posted this memory before, when the northbound Northern line platform was being made good for the Victoria Line, for one day some of the bolt on panels on the route diagram had been removed the previous night, and it showed the route to Alexander Palace! I was tempted to go back up and ask for a ticket! View AttachmentWhen first opened, in 1890, the City and South London Railway stations were similar. They all had distinctive domes over the lift shaft (I think Kennington is only one left and is now listed). When the line was altered to become part of the Northern line in 1920s most of the stations had the fronts and canopy areas altered. Oval retains part of its original exterior wall in Harleyford street, and the curved wall in booking hall is a remnant of the shape of the lift shaft. So look closely and parts of how it used to be are visible. Stockwell was resited during Northern line conversion, the original station had an island platform. Both Oval and Stockwell, (and Clapham North, Clapham Common) were all modernised in 1920s with new tiling. The picture shows this (with wartime bomb blast wall). Stockwell was rebuilt in 1971 for the Victoria Line, with a flat faced entrance next to a dark brick ventilation tower. An upper story was later added in a different shade of brick next to the tower). Like all Victoria line stations the blue grey tiling was used everywhere including the new passageways (but usually didn't extend to existing platforms). Booking hall modifications were made for UTS (when ticket offices and wall mounted ticket machines accessed from behind) were installed network wide about 25-30 years ago. vauxhallhistory.org/stockwell-station/districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/6154/cslr-sidings-old-elephant-stockwell
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Post by COBO on Jun 9, 2017 11:37:38 GMT
The Cathedral Express has just puffed pass Hanger Lane. I've never seen a Steam Locomotive use the Acton to Northolt Line before.
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Post by COBO on Jul 2, 2017 15:01:30 GMT
There is a District Line train going to Ealing Broadway from High Street Kensington.
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Post by paulsw2 on Jul 2, 2017 15:28:04 GMT
There is a District Line train going to Ealing Broadway from High Street Kensington. Planned track closure resulting in Ealing - High Street/Richmond - High street/Wimbledon - Embankment I drive on the District and there are quite a few high st Ealing workings Early AM after evening peak and Late PM
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Post by COBO on Jul 2, 2017 15:44:54 GMT
There is a District Line train going to Ealing Broadway from High Street Kensington. Planned track closure resulting in Ealing - High Street/Richmond - High street/Wimbledon - Embankment I drive on the District and there are quite a few high st Ealing workings Early AM after evening peak and Late PM I thought that the closure on District / Circle Lines had something to do with it. I wish that High Street Ken to Ealing Broadway workings occurred more frequently.
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