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Post by snoggle on Jan 22, 2015 0:59:46 GMT
I knew something like this would happen...the inevitable chopping up of routes because of crossrail/ Oxford street bus ban! Call me cynical but I think there will be more routes facing curtailments. I have a feeling the 3 will replace the 15 at their stands on conduit street (which they are doing 'temporarily'). Think about it..if the 3 can terminate there so why can't the 15 be re-extended? Also, I agree I have a feeling the 8 will not go back to Oxford Street, as tfl are keeping quiet and making sure that the diversion will continue for as long as people have forgotten the 8 ever went to Oxford Circus in the first place. TFL is a business at the end of the day. They will cut corners if they need to, even if this means putting passengers at a disadvantage. As long as its not too obvious and there's a 'reasonable' justification for the changes they will carry out their changes TFL know that people travel from EAST to WEST and vice-versa on bus, especially when underground fares are so d*mn expensive these days. Also, the number of bus passengers have increased over the past decade? Therefore, by changing bus routes to terminate at new central hubs they can force bus passengers to continue their journeys on other buses making even more ££££££££! For example, cutting busy bus routes like the 15 and 23 in half which will mean a bus journey from to Paddington will cost £3.00 instead of the current £1.50! I don't think these sorts of changes go unnoticed by various politicians and lobby groups. They may not say anything immediately but this stuff gets stored away. I expect that more broken links in Zone 1 will soon be noticed and it will be Transport for All who kick up a fuss about it. Forcing old people and those in wheelchairs on and off buses because there are no longer through journeys will get noticed. The financial issue for fare payers may also get noticed but past experience suggests people just put up with this given how many other changes there have been and not a squeak from anyone (in public anyway).
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Post by sid on Jan 22, 2015 12:36:26 GMT
More ideas need to be explored with the 23 option does the eastern arm necessarily have to be cut? Could the 295 be diverted to terminate at Westbourne Park Bus Garage instead of the 23? Could the 228 be diverted via Kensal Road, Golborne Rd and Elkstone Rd allowing the 23 to be cut back to Ladbroke Grove? I personally wouldn't be so hasty to cut the Liverpool Street section permanently. Back to the drawing board I think. The case seems to be that there isn't enough useage to justify both the 11 and 23 between Aldwych and Liverpool Street at weekends.
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Post by danorak on Jan 23, 2015 9:57:35 GMT
The 23 proposal is rather odd given that the City is now rather busier at weekends than it used to be. It provides a tourist link to St Pauls and indirectly to the South Bank via the Millennium Bridge.
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Post by sid on Jan 23, 2015 11:12:12 GMT
The 23 proposal is rather odd given that the City is now rather busier at weekends than it used to be. It provides a tourist link to St Pauls and indirectly to the South Bank via the Millennium Bridge. Well if it is to be retained I think it would be better rerouted via the 15 to the Tower at weekends.........................23A?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 17:14:45 GMT
I knew something like this would happen...the inevitable chopping up of routes because of crossrail/ Oxford street bus ban! Call me cynical but I think there will be more routes facing curtailments. I have a feeling the 3 will replace the 15 at their stands on conduit street (which they are doing 'temporarily'). Think about it..if the 3 can terminate there so why can't the 15 be re-extended? Also, I agree I have a feeling the 8 will not go back to Oxford Street, as tfl are keeping quiet and making sure that the diversion will continue for as long as people have forgotten the 8 ever went to Oxford Circus in the first place. TFL is a business at the end of the day. They will cut corners if they need to, even if this means putting passengers at a disadvantage. As long as its not too obvious and there's a 'reasonable' justification for the changes they will carry out their changes TFL know that people travel from EAST to WEST and vice-versa on bus, especially when underground fares are so d*mn expensive these days. Also, the number of bus passengers have increased over the past decade? Therefore, by changing bus routes to terminate at new central hubs they can force bus passengers to continue their journeys on other buses making even more ££££££££! For example, cutting busy bus routes like the 15 and 23 in half which will mean a bus journey from to Paddington will cost £3.00 instead of the current £1.50! I don't think these sorts of changes go unnoticed by various politicians and lobby groups. They may not say anything immediately but this stuff gets stored away. I expect that more broken links in Zone 1 will soon be noticed and it will be Transport for All who kick up a fuss about it. Forcing old people and those in wheelchairs on and off buses because there are no longer through journeys will get noticed. The financial issue for fare payers may also get noticed but past experience suggests people just put up with this given how many other changes there have been and not a squeak from anyone (in public anyway). There seems seems to be unofficial word going around that the 3 will now terminate at Regent Street as I predicted it would. Any bets that the weekend curtailment of the 23 will result in a full curtailment before the end of 2018. TFL are quietly reducing the services so the public don't kick up a fuss about it.
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