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Post by vjaska on Jan 20, 2015 20:47:12 GMT
What I'd like to see is the following:
A 24 hour weekend service for the P4 - Brixton has a big nightlife scene and I'm sure there would decent patronage from parts of Dulwich and Brockley not served by other routes at night.
The 118 to get a 24 hour daily service and the N133 to be diverted at St. Leonard's Church to run to Tooting Broadway via the 57.
The 319 to get a 24 hour daily service - again, Clapham Junction has a big nightlife scene whilst nearby Wandsworth Common & Trinity Road has no night service
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Post by snowman on Jan 20, 2015 21:44:47 GMT
Some reductions on Fri/Sat night are inevitable and the N5 and N20 might become Sun-Thursday night only and obviously those who live between tube stations will have some walking to do. Maybe the N9 might become Hammersmith to Heathrow only on Fri/Sat nights for example? I think its a fairly safe bet that the Fri and Sat higher frequency will go on the duplication routes. I also think some will be cut back to railhead stations. Using an example earlier about cutting Victoria - Brixton section, why not, many would be starting journeys at Oxford Circus or Green Park so are going to take tube as far as possible amyway. Most people who can afford to pay £6+ for a beer in central London aren't going to worry about higher tube fare compared to a slower cheaper night bus for big part of their journey. The real problem routes are the 24 hour ones that are basically a clone of a daytime shopping centre service that aren't serving anything in particular at night. These are the ones that need revising. Example the night 57 and 213 at Kingston terminate 1 or 2 stops short of connecting with other night buses, why not fix these sort of anomalies?
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Post by Nathan on Jan 20, 2015 22:40:27 GMT
I know for sure that the 57 and N87 will be left remaining. Pretty much all SW London night buses will still be in service. What's the chances of the (N)65 facing the chop? The 71 could become a 24-hr service to replace the lost Kingston-Chessington section. There is no achievement in that. I think the 65 should remain serving Chessington Nighty. Well the achievement would be to save money...which is usually the case with TfL. After all...these Double-Deck conversions won't pay themselves
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 22:40:50 GMT
I'd like to see a N77 introduced. Run from Trafalgar Square, along Strand, Aldwych then over to Waterloo and then does the 77 route to Tooting. The route would then do the 127 route from Amen Corner to Purley.
This would provide links from Clapham Junction to Tooting, something which surprises me doesn't exist already. It would also provide a night bus route in Wallington and Carshalton which I also think is needed.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 20, 2015 23:12:45 GMT
I'd like to see a N77 introduced. Run from Trafalgar Square, along Strand, Aldwych then over to Waterloo and then does the 77 route to Tooting. The route would then do the 127 route from Amen Corner to Purley. This would provide links from Clapham Junction to Tooting, something which surprises me doesn't exist already. It would also provide a night bus route in Wallington and Carshalton which I also think is needed. You never know you might get a weekend night 127 or 157 when the Night Tube starts. That would give Carshalton and Wallington a service to and from the Northern Line at Morden as well as some other useful connections.
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Post by sid on Jan 21, 2015 0:32:47 GMT
I would love the N10 to come back and for an N37 Peckham through to Richmond. I dont like these 24 hour routes, especially ones where they are low frequency eg 10/33 every 30 mins. Its one thing changing at Hammersmith in the middle of the day with routes running every 10 mins plus, another thing waiting half an hour on a cold dark night. Dont get me wrong, I think that the night bus network is brilliant and to be honest, I think higher fares should be charged at night (like they used to be). I'd happily pay £2.00 for a journey home after midnight. Just think that a couple of the changes in recent years havent been beneficial as I would suggest that night bus journeys are generally a lot longer than day bus journeys, although as the network has expanded, I suspect this has reduced. I agree, I expect the consultation to come out soon, the Autumn will come round quick! Some 24 Hour Services are quite useful, but I think some are pointless. E.g. 33. May as well extend to N10 to Fulwell I always thought the N159 was very useful, but the N64 is better, but the 64/N64 could serve Pollards Hill and Streatham. 119 Night Service carries hardly anyone around All N Routes and 24 Hour that serve Central London are quite useful The 57 is Useful, but could be extended to Brixton and renumbered N57 The 12 Night Service could be extended to Croydon Town Centre via the 197 The 75 24 Hour Service was quite useful, but I doubt it will return Extending the 176 night service to Croydon via the 197 route would be more cost effective. Could maybe reallocate it to TC at night to reduce dead running?
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Post by sid on Jan 21, 2015 0:34:31 GMT
What I'd like to see is the following: A 24 hour weekend service for the P4 - Brixton has a big nightlife scene and I'm sure there would decent patronage from parts of Dulwich and Brockley not served by other routes at night. The 118 to get a 24 hour daily service and the N133 to be diverted at St. Leonard's Church to run to Tooting Broadway via the 57. The 319 to get a 24 hour daily service - again, Clapham Junction has a big nightlife scene whilst nearby Wandsworth Common & Trinity Road has no night service Another option would be to extend the N19 to Streatham
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Post by routew15 on Jan 21, 2015 0:37:24 GMT
I can see why there are suggestions of night bus service cuts because Some night buses only run every 30 mins, so I don't think the frequencies will be reduced to every hour! instead it may be more efficient to run no weekend service at all.
I still back the idea of an: N75 from North Greenwich via the 180 and then the 75 to West Croydon. N8 extension to Romford instead of Hainault, The Lowe with the N55 taking over the Hainault section. NW15 service on weekends N238 service on weekends N34 weekend service N11 extension to Greenford Broadway via the E3 (no longer serving Ealing Broadway) NC11 weekend service
And cuts to weekend service could go to the N5, N20, N73, N91?, N98, N155 and N134
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Post by vjaska on Jan 21, 2015 3:29:06 GMT
I can see why there are suggestions of night bus service cuts because Some night buses only run every 30 mins, so I don't think the frequencies will be reduced to every hour! instead it may be more efficient to run no weekend service at all. I still back the idea of an: N75 from North Greenwich via the 180 and then the 75 to West Croydon. N8 extension to Romford instead of Hainault, The Lowe with the N55 taking over the Hainault section. NW15 service on weekends N238 service on weekends N34 weekend service N11 extension to Greenford Broadway via the E3 (no longer serving Ealing Broadway) NC11 weekend service And cuts to weekend service could go to the N5, N20, N73, N91?, N98, N155 and N134 In regards to your N75 idea maybe have it run via the 75 to Lewisham and then the 54 to Woolwich?
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 21, 2015 6:05:54 GMT
There is no achievement in that. I think the 65 should remain serving Chessington Nighty. Well the achievement would be to save money...which is usually the case with TfL. After all...these Double-Deck conversions won't pay themselves No it wouldn't save money because a 24 Hour 71 would require its own allocation and drivers... And you choose axing the N65 in favour of double deck conversions, nothing is being saved, the same resources being split into 2. There is no point making a short 24 Hour from the 71. People who use the 65 end to end will have to interchange in Kingston when they currently do not need to. The current arrangement is not broken and does not need to be fixed, the (N)65 is fine.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 21, 2015 10:10:33 GMT
Will be interesting to see how these cuts will affect the number of night drivers. For example, will some end up having to be demoted in pay grade back to day bus routes? One route I am especially thinking of is the N155. Perhaps the 'surplus buses' could be utilised to extend the route beyond Morden.
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Post by sid on Jan 21, 2015 10:22:03 GMT
Will be interesting to see how these cuts will affect the number of night drivers. For example, will some end up having to be demoted in pay grade back to day bus routes? One route I am especially thinking of is the N155. Perhaps the 'surplus buses' could be utilised to extend the route beyond Morden. Ideally any buses saved from Central London routes that are duplicated on a Fri/Sat night will be redepolyed elsewhere, maybe a Fri/Sat night service on the 80 could be justified with the tube running for example?
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Post by routew15 on Jan 21, 2015 22:18:30 GMT
I was going to suggest the Woolwich option, but i was unsure if there would much of a case for it, however my knowledge of South London is minor and my knowledge of Night life in South London is even more insignificant
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 22, 2015 2:43:01 GMT
Will be interesting to see how these cuts will affect the number of night drivers. For example, will some end up having to be demoted in pay grade back to day bus routes? One route I am especially thinking of is the N155. Perhaps the 'surplus buses' could be utilised to extend the route beyond Morden. I'm sure a few will find alternative work! The thing with night routes is that most have a 7 day rota, with weekend extra duties done as rest day work or incorporated into unsociable mixed shift rotas. Night rate is only paid for night shifts. It's not always easy to cover those shifts, but it is managed. I'm more interested in how operators will staff the increase in buses that will be on the road at night once the Night Tube changes commence, given there won't be a requisite increase in weeknight duties in all cases.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 22, 2015 12:14:46 GMT
I would love the N10 to come back and for an N37 Peckham through to Richmond. I dont like these 24 hour routes, especially ones where they are low frequency eg 10/33 every 30 mins. Its one thing changing at Hammersmith in the middle of the day with routes running every 10 mins plus, another thing waiting half an hour on a cold dark night. The N10 was a chronically unreliable service. Splitting it has made it more likely the bus will actually turn up, albeit at the cost of broken links between Putney and Richmond/Hammersmith.
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