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Post by snoggle on Feb 4, 2015 16:18:09 GMT
I am trying to create a list of the engine spec (euro rating) / hybrid status for each bus route.
I am clued up on recent changes and NB4L conversions but am not so knowledgeable about where we still have euro 2, euro 3 and euro 4 spec vehicles. I am also pretty clueless about which batches of vehicles used on particular routes have had exhaust / engine mods to be "greener". I know Arriva and London General Volvos have had mods but I am not clear what routes they run on.
I am assuming that recent deliveries of DB300s and Volvo B9s are to euro 5 spec.
Therefore I need the group's experts on engine specs to help me complete my database.
Please feel free to reply with routes and the engine specs of the vehicles used on them. Even if you only know about 1 or 2 routes please reply anyway.
Many thanks in advance.
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 4, 2015 17:33:26 GMT
Stagecoach Bromley
61 - Euro 4 Enviro 400s
208 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s
227 - Euro 5 Mercedes Citaro
246 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s
261 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s
269/school routes - Euro 3 Trident ALX400s (17899/17900 transferred in and have adblue mods)
314 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s
R5/10 & R7 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s
34366 - Euro 3 Dennis Dart
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 4, 2015 17:48:21 GMT
Arriva London (correct me if I'm wrong) DLA2** 3** (up to 324) were Euro2, with a trap to take the emissions to Euro4 DLA / DW (2003-2005) Euro3 DW (DB300) Early 59 plates - Euro4 DW 298+ (DB300) Euro5 Enviro 400 (2008) - Euro4 Enviro 400 (2010+) - Euro5 Enviro 200 (2007-2009) - Euro4 Enviro 200 (2010-2014) - Euro5 Dart / PDL - Euro3, though some of the later 06 ones may be Euro4 DW411 / WS1 / VGD1 - Euro6 HV's - Euro5 LT's, generally Euro5, though newer ones for the 38 and 137 are Euro6 E200s (for E10, included as London) - Euro6 hope this helps  |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 4, 2015 17:48:44 GMT
Catford Area
47, 621 & 660 - Euro 4 ALX 400s
54 & 75 - Euro 6 ADL E40Hs
124 - Euro 5 & Euro 6 E20Ds
136 - Euro 5 & Euro 6 E40Ds - 10 Series
178 - Euro 5 Tempos & Euro 3 Pointer Darts
199 - Euro 5 E40Ds - 19 Series
208 - 10197 - Euro 6
273 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s - & 34370 Euro 3
354 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s
356 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s & 1 Euro 6 E20D
380 - Euro 3 Pointer Darts
P4 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s and Euro 3 Pointer Darts
Two Euro 3 Tridents 17797 & 17851, mainly used on the 47 & 136
18455, 18463, 18464, 18481-18499 have cleaner emissions stickers and Ad blue tanks.
The Euro 3 Darts between 34353-34560 I don't think have AD blue tanks. 34370 allocated to the 273 is probably staying until the end of the contract as the 354 retains it current buses.
Other Routes
126 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s
160 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s with bandit appearances of Euro 4 Single Deckers
181 - Euro 4 Omnitowns
185 - Euro 3 & Euro 4 Volvos
171 - Euro 5 B9TLs
202 - Euro 5 MAN MCVs
261 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s
284 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s
336 - Euro 4 Esteem Darts
624 - Euro 4 Volvos
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 4, 2015 17:51:53 GMT
Stagecoach Bromley 61 - Euro 4 Enviro 400s 208 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s 227 - Euro 5 Mercedes Citaro 246 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s 261 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s 269/school routes - Euro 3 Trident ALX400s (17899/17900 transferred in and have adblue mods) 314 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s R5/10 & R7 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s Don't forget 34366  |
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 4, 2015 17:52:27 GMT
Stagecoach Bromley 61 - Euro 4 Enviro 400s 208 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s 227 - Euro 5 Mercedes Citaro 246 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s 261 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s 269/school routes - Euro 3 Trident ALX400s (17899/17900 transferred in and have adblue mods) 314 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s R5/10 & R7 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s Don't forget 34366 Just put it in, thanks |
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 4, 2015 18:47:19 GMT
Catford Area 47, 621 & 660 - Euro 4 ALX 400s 54 & 75 - Euro 6 ADL E40Hs 124 - Euro 5 & Euro 6 E20Ds 136 - Euro 5 & Euro 6 E40Ds - 10 Series 178 - Euro 5 Tempos & Euro 3 Pointer Darts 199 - Euro 5 E40Ds - 19 Series 208 - 10197 - Euro 6 273 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s - & 34370 Euro 3 354 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s 356 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s & 1 Euro 6 E20D 380 - Euro 3 Pointer Darts P4 - Euro 4 Enviro 200s and Euro 3 Pointer Darts Two Euro 3 Tridents 17797 & 17851, mainly used on the 47 & 136 18455, 18463, 18464, 18481-18499 have cleaner emissions stickers and Ad blue tanks. The Euro 3 Darts between 34353-34560 I don't think have AD blue tanks. 34370 allocated to the 273 is probably staying until the end of the contract as the 354 retains it current buses. Other Routes 126 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s 160 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s with bandit appearances of Euro 4 Single Deckers 181 - Euro 4 Omnitowns 185 - Euro 3 & Euro 4 Volvos 171 - Euro 5 B9TLs 202 - Euro 5 MAN MCVs 261 - Euro 5 Enviro 400s 284 - Euro 5 Enviro 200s 336 - Euro 4 Esteem Darts 624 - Euro 4 Volvos The Esteem darts are Euro 3 with 234 having i suspect an adblue or trap mod. Omnitowns are Euro 3 IIRC |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Feb 4, 2015 21:16:45 GMT
From my neck of the woods:
A Sutton:
80 Enviro200/Esteems, Euro IV
93 B7TL/Gemini Euro III and Enviro400/Olympus, Euro IV
151 Enviro400/Olympus Euro IV
154 Enviro400/Olympus Euro IV
213 B7TL/President Euro III and Enviro400 Euro IV
413 Enviro200Dart Euro V
213 is often majority Olympus allocated, with Preseidents spread across all DD routes
AF Putney:
14: B7TL/Gemini Euro IV
22: B9TL/Gemini 2 Euro V and B5LH/Gemini 2 hybrid Euro V
74: B7TL/Gemini Euro IV
85: B7TL/Gemini Euro IV and B9TL/Enviro400 Euro IV
424: Dart MPD Euro IV
430: B7TL/Gemini Euro IV
All double decker in practice (bar E400 B9s) are intermixed across all routes. B7TLs and Darts are modified from Euro III.
AV Hounslow:
81: E40D integral Euro V
110: Dart/Pointer (SN03s are Euro III and SN55s are modified to Euro IV)
111: OmniCity DD Euro V
120: OmniCity DD Euro III and E40D integral Euro V
203: Citaro Euro V
222: E40D integral Euro V
H32: OmniCity DD Euro IV
H37: Tempo Euro V
H98: Enviro200Dart Euro V, MetroCity Euro V (demo on long term loan) and MetroCity EV
696/697: uses all of the types above plus Trident/ALX400 Euro III (often on 111 and H32, but can also be used on other DD routes)
OmniCities are intermixed across OmniCity routes.
EB: Epsom
404: Solo SR Euro V
406: Enviro400 Euro IV/V/VI
411: Versa Euro V
418: Enviro400 Euro IV/V/VI
463: Solo Euro V plus one : Enviro400 Euro IV/V/VI (SDO journey)
465: Versa Euro V
467: Enviro400 Euro IV/V/VI
470: Solo SR Euro V
K5: Solo Euro V
S1: MetroCity Euro VI
S3: E20D Euro VI and Enviro 200 Euro IV (Esteem and Integral)
X26: Citaro Euro V (plus Euro III spare)
641: Versa Euro V though Citaros are not uncommon
FW Fulwell:
33: Enviro200Dart Euro V (plus Euro VI testbed DE128)
65: OmniCity DD Euro IV and V
71: OmniCity DD Euro IV and V
216: Dart/Pointer Euro III and Enviro200Dart Euro IV and Euro V
267: OmniDekka Euro III
281: : OmniCity DD Euro IV and V
371: Enviro200Dart Euro IV and Enviro200Dart hybrid (Euro V I think) plus two allocated OmniCity DD Euro IV and V
391: Trident/ALX400 Euro III and Versa Euro V (not too sure)
School routes: : OmniCity DD Euro IV and V
SP28/53-67/88-95 are 'allocated' to 65, 671 and 691 and 96-133 are 'allocated' to 71, 281 and 681, but are intermixed in practice
Tridents sometimes stray onto other routes, mainly 281 and 371. TA281 has an AV blindset, thus route-bound to 281/681
HH Hounslow Heath:
116 Dart/Pointer Euro III (might change to OmniCity Euro IV in March)
285: Enviro200Dart Euro IV
423: Enviro200Dart Euro V
482: OmniCity DD Euro IV
H22: Dart/Pointer Euro IV
H91: OmniCity DD Euro V
635: Trident/ALX400 Euro III
285 has at least one allocated DD at the moment, this is more likely to be an OmniCity but Tridents may appear as well. 482 moved to Metroline Greenford on 21st March and will convert to Enviro400 Euro IV.
TF Fulwell:
117: E20D 10.2m Euro V
235: Dart/Pointer and Nimbus Euro III
290: E20D 10.2m Euro V
481: Mini Pointer or E200 Mini Euro III
490: Enviro200Dart 10.2m Euro IV and E20D 10.8m Euro V
H20: Mini Pointer Dart Euro III
H25: Dart/Pointer and Nimbus Euro IV
H26: Enviro200Dart mini Euro III
K1: E20D 8.9m Euro V
K3: E20D 10.8m Euro V
R68: Enviro200Dart 10.2m Euro V
R70: Enviro200Dart 10.2m Euro V
481 often has Enviro200s (8.9m or 10.2m) or 10.2m Darts from all other routes on it
TV Tolworth:
57: B7TL/Vyking Euro IV and Trident/ALX400 Euro III
131: B7TL/Vyking Euro IV and Trident/ALX400 Euro III
265: Dart/Pointer Euro III/IV
613: B7TL/Vyking Euro IV and Trident/ALX400 Euro III
662: B7TL/Vyking Euro IV
665: Enviro200Dart Euro IV
965: Enviro200Dart Euro IV or Dart/Pointer Euro III/IV
K2: Enviro200Dart 10.2m Euro IV
K4: Enviro200Dart 8.9m Euro IV
Note: some information might be incorrect, feel free to let me know
Some routes often mix allocations, most of this is the nominal allocations as far as I am aware
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Post by Trident on Feb 4, 2015 22:49:10 GMT
Stagecoach WH:
Route 15H runs with Routemasters which should have traps.
Routes 69, 97, 115, 147, 241 & 330 are the only remaining full Trident routes in the garage (All are Euro 3)
The 330's batch (18257-18265) is the only full Trident route to have AdBlue fitted to all it's buses.
Routes 104 & 158 are part Euro 3 Trident/ALX400 & Euro 5 E40D/Enviro 400
All buses allocated to the Trident part of the 158 (18266-18277) have AdBlue. The 104's Trident part has a few buses without it.
Route 238 is a fully Euro 5 E40D/E400 Route.
Route 262 has a mix of Euro 4 Scania Omnicites and Euro 5 E400s on paper.
Route 473 is a fully Euro 4 Scania Omnicity route.
Route D3 runs with Euro 4 Enviro 200s.
Routes 323 & 488 run with Euro 5 Enviro 200s.
Tower Transit LI:
Routes 25 & 58 use Euro 5 Volvo/Gemini 2
Routes 26, 30 & 425 use Euro 5 Enviro 400s
Route 236 uses Euro 5 Enviro 200s (DMV)
Route 308 uses a mix of Euro 3 Pointer Darts (DP) & Euro 5 Enviro 200s (DMV)
Route 339 uses a mix of Euro 3 Marshalls & Euro 5 Enviro 200s (DM)
Route W14 uses a mix of Euro 3 Nimbuses (DMC) & Euro 4 & 5 Enviro 200s (DM & DML)
Route W15 uses a mix of Euro 4 & Euro 5 Enviro 200s (DML)
Route RV1 uses VDL/Pulsar 2 Hydrogen buses on Euro 5.
Open to corrections.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 4, 2015 22:56:09 GMT
thanks for all the info so far - really good.   Please keep the info coming - especially for Go Ahead and Metroline where my knowledge isn't very good as to engine specs. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 4, 2015 23:01:18 GMT
Brixton area
Route 2: VLA's have Euro III Volvo engines
Route 3: 61 reg Enviro 400H's have Euro V
Route 35: 09 reg Enviro 400's have Euro IV Cummins engines
Route 37: 06 & the sole 57 reg E's have Euro IV Cummins engines
Route 45: 02 & 52 reg PVL's have Euro III Volvo engines
Route 59: 63 reg HV's & 59 reg DW's have Euro V (DW's have Cummins engines)
Route 109: 64 reg Enviro 400H MMC's have Euro VI
Route 118: 60 reg E's have Euro V Cummins engines
Route 133: 59 reg T's have Euro V Cummins engines
Route 159: 55 reg VLA's have Euro III Volvo engines, 05 reg DW's have Euro III VDL engines, 59 reg DW's have Euro V Cummins engines
Route 196: 06 reg E's have Euro IV Cummins engines
Route 250: 03 reg DLA's have Euro III DAF engines, 10 reg T's have Euro V Cummins engines
Route 322: 05 reg Pointer Darts have Euro III Cummins engines
Route 333: 03 reg WVL's have Euro III Volvo engines
Route 345: 09 reg E's have Euro IV Cummins engines
Route 355: 53 reg Pointer Darts have Euro III Cummins engines
Route 415: W & X reg DLA's have Euro II DAF engines
Route 432: W & X reg DLA's have Euro II DAF engines
Route 690: VLA's have Euro III Volvo engines
Route P4: 52 & 03 reg Pointer Darts have Euro III Cummins engines, 09 reg Enviro 200's have Euro IV Cummins engines
Route P5: 11 reg SE's have Euro V Cummins engines
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 4, 2015 23:15:57 GMT
Networker i wont quote you direct as it will spam the thread but i recon route 424s 06 darts are Euro III
TL1 - Also just noticed the 47s TA's are Euro 3. Euro 4 started on e400s
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 4, 2015 23:31:37 GMT
I'll try and do some Metrobus
101-102 Optare Solos - Euro 3?
257 - 236 Esteem Dart - Euro 3
334 - Dennis Dart - Euro 2
514 - 530 Scania Omnicity SD - Euro 3
561 - 567 Scania Omnicity SD - Euro 4
701 - 705 MAN Esteems - Euro 4
706 - 708 MAN Enviro 200s - Euro 4
709 - 721 MAN MCV Evolution - Euro 4
947 - 952 Scania Omnidekka - Euro 4
955 - 973 Scania Omnicity DD - Euro 4??
974 - 978 Scania Omnicity DD - Euro 5??
= All the Omnitowns are Euro 3
= All the Transbus Darts are Euro 3
= All the Omnidekkas are Euro 3 except the ones listed above
= I believe all of the ADL Enviro 200s are Euro 5
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Post by Volvo on Feb 5, 2015 0:39:46 GMT
I am trying doing these based on paper allocations rather than in practice allocatons to make it easier (Though some may be listed as in practice allocatons)
Metroline Potter Bar:
34/125 E400 Euro 4/B5LH Gemini 3 Euro 6
82 E400 Euro 5
217/263 E400 Euro 4
234/W9 E200 Euro 5
383/4 E200 Euro 4
W8 Trident President Euro 3
Metroline Holloway:
4/17 B7TL President Euro 3
24/390 NBFL euro 5
43 B7TL President Euro 3/Trident President Euro 3/B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
91/271 E400 Euro 3/E400 Euro 4
134/W7 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
603 E400 Euro 3/4, B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5, B7TL President Euro 3
Metroline Kings Cross:
46/274 Enviro 200 Euro 5
214 Pointer Dart Euro 4 converted
Metroline Cricklewood:
16 E400H Euro 5
32/210 Trident ALX400 Euro 3/E400 Euro 5
112 E200 Euro 6
139 E400H Euro 5
143/326/C11 E200 Euro 4/Euro 5
189/332 E400 Euro 5/E400H Euro 5
232/316 E200 Euro 4
Metroline Willesden:
6/98/260/302/460 B7TL president Euro 3/4
52 B9TL Gemini 2/B5LH Gemini 2 Euro 5
Metroline Edgware:
107/113/186/204/240 E400 Euro 4
Metroline Harrow Weald:
140 B7TL president Euro 3/B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
182/H12 B7TL president Euro 3
Metroline Perivale:
7 B5LH Gemini 3 Euro 6/B5TL Gemini 3 Euro 6 (Demo bus)
79/297 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5/Scania N230UD Euro 4
90 MAN Evolution Euro 4/Scania N230UD Euro 4
105 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
395 E200 Euro 4
E6 E200 Euro 4/MAN Evolution Euro 4
Metroline Alperton:
83/245 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
223/4 E200 Euro 5
487 E200 Euro 4
Metroline Greenford:
92 E400 Euro 5
95 E200 Euro 5
282 Trident President Euro 3/E400 Euro 4
E5/7/9 E200 Euro 4
Metroline Hayes:
195 E200 Euro 5
207 Scania N230UD Euro 5
427 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
Metroline Uxbridge:
331/A10 E200 Euro 4
607 B7TL Gemini Euro 3?/E400 Euro 4
U1/2/3/5/7/10 Caetano Nimbus Euro 3/E200 Euro 4
U4 Trident President Euro 3
U9 Pointer Dart Euro 3
Metroline Willesden Junction:
18 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
187/226/228 E200 Euro 4
206 E200 Euro 5
Metroline Brentford:
190 MCV Evolution E200 Euro 4
209/E8 E200 Euro 4
237/E2 B9TL Gemini 2 Euro 5
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Post by vjaska on Feb 5, 2015 0:44:05 GMT
I'll try and do some Metrobus 101-102 Optare Solos - Euro 3? 257 - 236 Esteem Dart - Euro 3 514 - 530 Scania Omnicity SD - Euro 3 561 - 567 Scania Omnicity SD - Euro 4? 701 - 705 MAN Esteems - Euro 4? 706 - 708 MAN Enviro 200s - Euro 4? 709 - 721 MAN MCV Evolution - Euro 4? 947 - 952 Scania Omnidekka - Euro 4 955 - 973 Scania Omnicity DD - Euro 4? 974 - 978 Scania Omnicity DD - Euro 5? = All the Omnitowns are Euro 3 = All the Transbus Darts are Euro 3 = All the Omnidekkas are Euro 3 except the ones listed above = I believe all of the ADL Enviro 200s are Euro 5? 101-102 I'm unsure of as I've yet to use the R8's Solo's but could be either Euro III or IV. 561-567 are Euro IV as you correctly stated 701-705 are Euro IV as you correctly stated 706-708 are Euro IV as you correctly stated 709-721 are Euro IV as you correctly stated 955-958 are Euro IV but I believe 959-973 are Euro V 974-978 are Euro V as you correctly stated All the ADL Enviro 200's are Euro V except the recently acquired 09 reg SEN's which are Euro IV. |
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